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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Aloha, >Rich >>> I realize that you believe that your symptoms are secondary to Candida >>> infection. Have you considered OTHER possibilities such as >>> hemmorhoids?? Both internal and external hemmorhoids can present with >>> severe rectal itching with no other symptoms or signs. If you have >>> experienced blood on your toilet paper this would be further >>> suggestive evidence that it is secondary to hemmorhoids. You might try >>> one of the over the counter hemmorhoid ointments that often will give >>> relief quite quickly after administration. >>> Good luck, >>> Aloha, >>> Rich >really rich, is all this in the spirit of ALOHA?
I realize that you don’t think that I was trying to help you. I really was. But I suspect that perhaps you are more comfortable with the idea that ALL your symptoms are secondary to Candida and will reject the helpful advice of others. So be it. Perhaps someone else with rectal itching who reads my post may benefit from my suggestion. Aloha, Rich Far better to be uncertain Than to be sure and be wrong Note: Remember to remove the antispamming "NOT" in email address before sending me email
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sorry rich, i meant to quote the language in your letter which was derogatory towards another poster. I am not sure who it was. Maybe it was not even your language, but i thought it was.
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>I am still waiting for that powerful reason to emerge, not as the >anecdotal testimony of a few (million) people who claim to have a disease >when they cannot prove it, are not sick, etc.,
While you are under absolutely no obligation to accept the anecdotal testimony of people who claim to have candida, don’t try to say that we aren’t sick. What constitutes sick to you? Quite pesonally, when I lose 20 lbs for no reason, have massive headache, abdominal cramps, and nausea I would say I’m sick. > but as a body of valid >scientific research consisting of clinical notes, epidemiological studies, >replicable tests, and placebo-controlled trials of specific treatments (I >know, this is the bogus shield of science, meaningless in the face of >your personal experience . . ..) So far, the yeast-hysteria crowd have >produced precious little of any of this.
I would love to see clinical trials about candidia done, but as I’m not in the medical profession, I obviously can’t conduct them. And if the so-called "scientific community" shares your views about canidia, I don’t see why they would be intrested in conducting such trails. There are doctors that are much more closed minded than you. I know of one who denies that women can have yeast present anywhere in their body other than the vaginia. You have to be willing to accept the possiblity that candida might exist before your going to be intrested in researching it. > it is promoting the overuse of >anti-fungal drugs (you never answered my response to your ill-informed >challenge on that by the way), which breeds resistance, and it is >preventing people from seeking appropriate care for real diseases. >Furthermore, it undermines the legitimate demands for care of people who >actually have candidiasis secondary to immune dysfunction or >antibiotic/steroid overuse, etc., since it becomes less likely that >doctors will take those people’s complaints seriously when they disappear >into the background of millions of people self-diagnosing and >self-medicating a "disease" they don’t have.
A few points: I agree that some people get carried away with the "yeast-hysteria" and are over diagnosing it. Same thing happend with ADD. However, the poin you made about people not taking candida claims seriously (do to over diagnosis) also applies to you. In addition, treatment of candida with anti-fungal drugs would seem to me to be more prevalent among doctors than alternative practicaners. (My recommended diet change and live acidophilus/bifidus supplements) Finally, Candida is not limited to people with immunodeficency problems. I had not taken antibiotics for over 5 years, and never had my doctor or my alternative practician given any indication that I had immune problems. Yet I had candida. (I know this is a personal anecdote and thus is not an acceptable arguement for you. This is a fact for other people’s benefit) -Rebecca
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>> best explaination availabe as to the source of my candida is diet high > in carbohydrates, and that about 6 months before any symptoms began, I > spent about a month drinking _way_ too much coffee. >But how do you know you have candida? You still haven’t answered that >one, unless I missed it.
Yes I did in a different thread. My practican used Kinesology (muscle testing) in making the diagnosis. (I don’t feel like going into the specifics of Kinesology again, I’ve already explained it for you once) >And how on earth can coffee cause yeast overgrowth? I drink 6 cups a >day some days, and have for much of my life. So do my siblings and >parents and wife. We’re all fine. What is the biochemical mechanism by >which caffeine or some other chemical in coffee suppresses immune >function? As I understand it, candida does not thrive in a highly acidic >environment. Coffee makes your gut more acidic, so it should work against >candida albicans?
My practicaner did not suggest coffe caused it. I mentioned it as it was the only abnormal dietary change in my life prior to my candida symptoms appearing. While you may drink 6 cups of coffee a day, I went from drinking no coffee what so ever to about 6 cups a day. I also was not really eating healthy (or enough) during that time. I was at camp and basically substuted coffee (and other caffeine substances) for food and sleep. To this day I still cant drink coffee again. > people below that line. Quite honestly I don’t believe science > currently has the capability to pinpoint that line so percisely. Hey > they tried to with RDA’s vitamin standards, and now there finding that > a number of those were too low. But that’s another topic.) >Actually, measuring immune function is pretty sophisticated business. >Have you ever been for immune testing? Do you know your IgG and IgA >levels? Antibody titers and T-Cell counts? Liver function levels? The >line may not be securely known, but we can be pretty sure what a >"dysfunctional immune system" means.
It seems to me that your either trying to make the arguemnt that (1) we can’t percisely know the level when a person becomes suspetable to candida, or else (2) you are implying that there is a measure of immune system disfunctionality, but most people don’t know the necessary test results and thus could have unknown compromisation of their immune system. (which would put them in the candida -potential category) Either case, it would appear that people without diagnosed immune system problem could get candida. >I’d keep looking for a more rational explanation if I were you.
Funny, your the only one who thinks that candida is not a rational explaination. I had a large number of the symptoms (Not just the vauge "headache" one either). At the time i was eating foods know (by others) to encourage candida, and even had some (candida increasing) foods that i used to beable to eat make me physcially ill. Kinesology muscle testing indicated i had candida, a general medical practicianer found nothing else wrong with me, and i responded well to non-medication candida treatment. > But it’s >between you and your doctor, assuming she’s the real thing.
I’ve mentioned a number of her credentials before, and i have no doubts about her abilties. Your skeptism would be valid if you knew anything about her, but since its just from your own distrust of alternative medicine, stuff it. > It’s her >license and malpractice insurance that’s on the line, not mine.
So tell me, what are you licensed and insured for? -Rebecca
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes I did in a different thread. My practican used Kinesology (muscle > testing) in making the diagnosis. (I don’t feel like going into the > specifics of Kinesology again, I’ve already explained it for you once) >Oh right, I forgot which of the afflicted you were. Of course, you got >your muscles poked and now you know which specific pathogen has infected >your gut. >AF
My guess is that you either are dense, forgetful or did not read that post very closely, as that "summary" doesn’t describe the processes that was used. But it doesn’t matter anyway, as I doubt anything short of and actual sample of the yeast levels in my gut during that time would satisfy you. However since that is niether possible, nor do I care enough to provide evidence to your satsifaction, you can not believe I had candida all you like. -Rebecca
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> While you are under absolutely no obligation to accept the anecdotal > testimony of people who claim to have candida, don’t try to say that > we aren’t sick. What constitutes sick to you? Quite pesonally, when I > lose 20 lbs for no reason, have massive headache, abdominal cramps, > and nausea I would say I’m sick. >I’m not saying you’re not sick, nor that you don’t have candida. It is >quite possible to have a systemic yeast infection, but it is unusual in an >otherwise healthy person, despite what the hysteria-mongers would have you >believe. So, either you are an exceptional case (perhaps you have some >kind of immune deficiency brought on by steroids or stress or depression) >or you have a *different* underlying condition which predisposes you to >candida or perhaps causes symptoms which are similar to "candida" >overgrowth. Have you been tested for, among others, hyperthyroidism, >Wegener’s Granulomatosis, IgA deficiency, HIV, Diabetes, Lupus, Hepatitis, >low -grade bacterial infection, etc.? Are you suffering major depression >or another modo disorder? >I repeat my question then: have you been systematically checked for a >range of other conditions which DO suppress immune function? Otherwsie, >*why would you have candida overgrowth?* It just doesn’t "happen" in the >absence of an enabling condition. Your symptoms sound drastic enough that >if I were you I would push for an answer. Stress and depression might be >enough of an explanation, but there has to be a reason the immune system >fails to do its job. >And of course, you could also have been allergic to one of the foods you >elimated from your diet, meaning your immune system was doing its job just >too well.
Quite honestly, I have been tested for a number of these problems that my doctor felt was possible. All my tests came back fine and my doctor could not provide an explaination for my problems. I have not been unduely stress, depressed or other immune suppressing conditions. I have been algery tested (by a regular doctor) and removed those things from from my life long before I had my candida trouble. The best explaination availabe as to the source of my candida is diet high in carbohydrates, and that about 6 months before any symptoms began, I spent about a month drinking _way_ too much coffee. However, the fact that I have candida isn’t really up for debate. I understand your concern with people self diagnosing candida and as a result not knowing they have something else. We’ve had a discussion about self-diagnosis before. It can be dangerous if you don’t know what your doing, and it applies to nearly all health problems, not just candida. The point i want to make is that candida can occur in people without servely compromised immune systems. I’m not saying that it will occur in health people for no reason. I just feel that the triggers in some people do not have to be as extreme as AIDS. (What it seems to me what your saying is that science has determined a certain health line (level of immune system integrety) and candida can only occur in people below that line. Quite honestly I don’t believe science currently has the capability to pinpoint that line so percisely. Hey they tried to with RDA’s vitamin standards, and now there finding that a number of those were too low. But that’s another topic.) -Rebecca
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> i believe i developed candida while baking bread in a restuarant. i have since > quit, but i can’t get rid of the last syndrome… rectal itching!! any time i > eat sugar, flour, juice, and heaven forbid, beer wine or liquor…. BOOM! I’m > itching worse than a dog in Tennessee in July. > any help would be appreciated. i’ve severely altered my diet for the last six > months, but i just can’t get past this one last symptom.
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>> i believe i developed candida while baking bread in a restuarant. i have since > quit, but i can’t get rid of the last syndrome… rectal itching!! any time i > eat sugar, flour, juice, and heaven forbid, beer wine or liquor…. BOOM! I’m > itching worse than a dog in Tennessee in July. > any help would be appreciated. i’ve severely altered my diet for the last six > months, but i just can’t get past this one last symptom.
Jumping waaaay late into this I have to make a correction here: Candidiasis is caused by Candida albicans, or any one of four other Candida species shown to cause Candidiasis, or possibly by another yeast. Yeast used for brewing beer, making wine, or baking bread is from the genera Saccharomyces. I have brewed my own beer for several years, using Saccharomyces cerevisiae. I have drunk gallons of homebrew with yeast slurry in the bottom of the bottle, and I have never been sick with Candidiasis or a fungal infection. Only AIDS patients or immunocompromised individuals are susceptible to Saccharomyces infections. If you have changed everything you can, but you still have the rectal itching, the logical explanation is that it is being caused by something other than a fungal infection. Pete. MT(ASCP), KF4VCC, brewer, parent.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Here we go. Someone giving advice who has no formal training in alternative >medicine to someone on the internet who is in need. How kind. >Before you accuse OTHERS of giving inappropriate advice I would take a >good look in the mirror. Perhaps it would be useful for you to address >the specific recommendation that I make instead of simply making an ad >hominem argument. >You CLAIM to have this extensive training in alternative medicine and >yet you continue to demonstrate a great lack of understanding of how >to critically examine information that you read. You seem to get most >of your information from lay books and not scientific material. You >seem to be stuck in some 19th century mindset and then accuse OTHERS >of not keeping up to date with the latest information. >I will allow the readers to draw their own conclusions. >Aloha, >Rich >> >i believe i developed candida while baking bread in a restuarant. i have >since >> >quit, but i can’t get rid of the last syndrome… rectal itching!! any >time >i >> >eat sugar, flour, juice, and heaven forbid, beer wine or liquor…. BOOM! >I’m >> >itching worse than a dog in Tennessee in July. >> I realize that you believe that your symptoms are secondary to Candida >> infection. Have you considered OTHER possibilities such as >> hemmorhoids?? Both internal and external hemmorhoids can present with >> severe rectal itching with no other symptoms or signs. If you have >> experienced blood on your toilet paper this would be further >> suggestive evidence that it is secondary to hemmorhoids. You might try >> one of the over the counter hemmorhoid ointments that often will give >> relief quite quickly after administration. >> Good luck, >> Aloha, >> Rich
really rich, is all this in the spirit of ALOHA?
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>Here we go. Someone giving advice who has no formal training in alternative >medicine to someone on the internet who is in need. How kind.
Before you accuse OTHERS of giving inappropriate advice I would take a good look in the mirror. Perhaps it would be useful for you to address the specific recommendation that I make instead of simply making an ad hominem argument. You CLAIM to have this extensive training in alternative medicine and yet you continue to demonstrate a great lack of understanding of how to critically examine information that you read. You seem to get most of your information from lay books and not scientific material. You seem to be stuck in some 19th century mindset and then accuse OTHERS of not keeping up to date with the latest information. I will allow the readers to draw their own conclusions. Aloha, Rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >i believe i developed candida while baking bread in a restuarant. i have >since > >quit, but i can’t get rid of the last syndrome… rectal itching!! any time >i > >eat sugar, flour, juice, and heaven forbid, beer wine or liquor…. BOOM! >I’m > >itching worse than a dog in Tennessee in July. > I realize that you believe that your symptoms are secondary to Candida > infection. Have you considered OTHER possibilities such as > hemmorhoids?? Both internal and external hemmorhoids can present with > severe rectal itching with no other symptoms or signs. If you have > experienced blood on your toilet paper this would be further > suggestive evidence that it is secondary to hemmorhoids. You might try > one of the over the counter hemmorhoid ointments that often will give > relief quite quickly after administration. > Good luck, > Aloha, > Rich > >any help would be appreciated. i’ve severely altered my diet for the last >six > >months, but i just can’t get past this one last symptom. > >laytes > Far better to be uncertain > Than to be sure and be wrong > Note: Remember to remove the antispamming "NOT" in email address > before sending me email
Far better to be uncertain Than to be sure and be wrong Note: Remember to remove the antispamming "NOT" in email address before sending me email
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->If this seems harsh, I am responnding to a very nasty personal email >worked as a baker and know lots of bakers and nobody I ever met in the >business ever had any "candida" problems. It was great work. Up early, >the smell of fresh-baked bread all the time, and nice strong muscles from >kneading. And we got to eat the stuff which didn’t come out looking >perfect. >AF
funny, i know lots of people who smoke cigarettes that don’t have cancer.
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Now, now, Liz. One could say the same thing about alternative practitioners giving advice over this news group with minimal information on which to guess what might be wrong with the enquirer. Pruritis ani (anal itchiness) is no joke to the sufferer, and can have multiple causes, including local candida infection. If not dealt with promptly it can become an entrenched problem. Seborrhoeic dermatitis and psoriasis are not uncommon causes, and other anal conditions will need ruling out. This person should, if they don’t find an answer soon (and I don’t care what it is), see a dermatologist or proctologist. — P Moran – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here we go. Someone giving advice who has no formal training in alternative > medicine to someone on the internet who is in need. How kind. > >i believe i developed candida while baking bread in a restuarant. i have > since > >quit, but i can’t get rid of the last syndrome… rectal itching!! any time > i > >eat sugar, flour, juice, and heaven forbid, beer wine or liquor…. BOOM! > I’m > >itching worse than a dog in Tennessee in July. > I realize that you believe that your symptoms are secondary to Candida > infection. Have you considered OTHER possibilities such as > hemmorhoids?? Both internal and external hemmorhoids can present with > severe rectal itching with no other symptoms or signs. If you have > experienced blood on your toilet paper this would be further > suggestive evidence that it is secondary to hemmorhoids. You might try > one of the over the counter hemmorhoid ointments that often will give > relief quite quickly after administration. > Good luck, > Aloha, > Rich > >any help would be appreciated. i’ve severely altered my diet for the last > six > >months, but i just can’t get past this one last symptom. > >laytes > Far better to be uncertain > Than to be sure and be wrong > Note: Remember to remove the antispamming "NOT" in email address > before sending me email
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i believe i developed candida while baking bread in a restuarant. i have since quit, but i can’t get rid of the last syndrome… rectal itching!! any time i eat sugar, flour, juice, and heaven forbid, beer wine or liquor…. BOOM! I’m itching worse than a dog in Tennessee in July. any help would be appreciated. i’ve severely altered my diet for the last six months, but i just can’t get past this one last symptom. laytes
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>i believe i developed candida while baking bread in a restuarant. i have since >quit, but i can’t get rid of the last syndrome… rectal itching!! any time i >eat sugar, flour, juice, and heaven forbid, beer wine or liquor…. BOOM! I’m >itching worse than a dog in Tennessee in July.
I realize that you believe that your symptoms are secondary to Candida infection. Have you considered OTHER possibilities such as hemmorhoids?? Both internal and external hemmorhoids can present with severe rectal itching with no other symptoms or signs. If you have experienced blood on your toilet paper this would be further suggestive evidence that it is secondary to hemmorhoids. You might try one of the over the counter hemmorhoid ointments that often will give relief quite quickly after administration. Good luck, Aloha, Rich >any help would be appreciated. i’ve severely altered my diet for the last six >months, but i just can’t get past this one last symptom. >laytes
Far better to be uncertain Than to be sure and be wrong Note: Remember to remove the antispamming "NOT" in email address before sending me email
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You can try a mix of 1/3 iodine and 2/3 mineral oil. You can use twice a day to start and taper off = or use Diflucan (from the Dr.) for a cure in several days. This med runs around $6.00 per tablet but is effective rapidly. Are you SURE it’s candida? — .Carol….. Cert. E.M.T.N.Y., V.S.A., – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i believe i developed candida while baking bread in a restuarant. i have since > quit, but i can’t get rid of the last syndrome… rectal itching!!
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Here we go. Someone giving advice who has no formal training in alternative medicine to someone on the internet who is in need. How kind. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i believe i developed candida while baking bread in a restuarant. i have since >quit, but i can’t get rid of the last syndrome… rectal itching!! any time i >eat sugar, flour, juice, and heaven forbid, beer wine or liquor…. BOOM! I’m >itching worse than a dog in Tennessee in July. > I realize that you believe that your symptoms are secondary to Candida > infection. Have you considered OTHER possibilities such as > hemmorhoids?? Both internal and external hemmorhoids can present with > severe rectal itching with no other symptoms or signs. If you have > experienced blood on your toilet paper this would be further > suggestive evidence that it is secondary to hemmorhoids. You might try > one of the over the counter hemmorhoid ointments that often will give > relief quite quickly after administration. > Good luck, > Aloha, > Rich >any help would be appreciated. i’ve severely altered my diet for the last six >months, but i just can’t get past this one last symptom. >laytes > Far better to be uncertain > Than to be sure and be wrong > Note: Remember to remove the antispamming "NOT" in email address > before sending me email