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Son, I know Ruada doesn’t have Pancreatitis. I did not say she did. I was just offering my opinion on TPN and Lines..that is all. I was also saying that ports and TPN are not the last resort…. No, they did not want to try anything else on my site. I lost the line anyway due to neglect from the MD…. Robin I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice. The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.
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it stop. Oreos. Jim
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to make > it stop. > Oreos. > Jim
I actually ate some of those last week for the first time in months and months — and I lost another 4 pounds. Ruada
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> to make > it stop. > Oreos. > Jim > I actually ate some of those last week for the first time in months > and months — and I lost another 4 pounds. > Ruada
Ruada, I think you have company, namely me! I’ve dropped from 203, to about 164, last check. I eat normal, healthy meals, even desserts! It just doesn’t help me keep the weight on. It’s one of the reasons my Gastroenterologist is now checking on my Thyroid. That is the latest guess the docs have made. Of course, my body doesn’t care what tests they run, it just keeps on loosing weight. Makes me wonder if I’ll be invisible by the time it stops. <vbg> Maybe I’ll end up like Lilly Tomlin in the comedy "The Incredible Shrinking Woman". yuck yuck yuck. Who knows, maybe I’ll get lucky, and somewhere along the way the pain will stop! I’ll be so small, the pain won’t know where to find me. <g> Hope you find a solution soon, I’m about done letting the docs run diagnostic tests on me, they’ve stuck things up both ends so far, and still no answers. With Love, Caring, & Empathy, Albert, Mountain Removal Project Engineer — Tis easier to go thru the eye of a needle than the knee of an idol —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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Robin With a portacath the protocol at my hospital was to only leave the huber needle in for three days & then change it. I was having to have mine accessed for my TPN at night which was removed in the am but then I had to have my hydration fluids at noon requiring accessing again. With pancreatitis I know the problem isn’t involving your small bowel but Ruada doesn’t have pancreatitis & has said that her small bowel are normal & the problem is with food leaving the stomach. If Ruada had said she had pancreatitis then I agree TPN is probably the way to go but I just thought she had gastroparesis. I agree you can get infections when having a G or J tube but they are still alot less frequent than with central lines. I have had a G tube since I was 5 & had a j tube also for 12 years……I never had one infection in either of those but have never gone longer than a few months without an infection in my CVL or at it’s exit site. I just wanted to bring up the point that seeming though Ruada has a normal GI tract after food has left the stomach then it would be a safer option to maybe have an enteral feeding tube. I didn’t mean to turn this into a thread about the perils of TPN but I just wanted to say it isn’t something to be taken lightly. I am in the throes of liver failure due to a fatty liver from TPN use (my bili, ALT & AFT levels are through the roof) & I guess I am just a little oversensative regarding TPN. It is weird how the TPN has saved my life but is also killing me. I am going to be evaluated for a liver transplant (they don’t do liver + small bowel transplants in Aus) but we are pretty sure I will be turned down due to my TPN dependence. Robin, did you ever get to try the biopatches???? If so did they help you??? Son
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->BUT portacaths aren’t the central line of choice if daily TPN is required. >The skin over the portacath can break down with the constant accessing. > This can happen, but make sure that they don’t put the needle in the same exact > spot each time. > I personally was on TPN for, at one point, nine months straight, and for me and > my Drs., the port was the first choice. In all honesty, at least in my > opinion, any line is at risk for infection. I had more problems with Groshong > Catheters then my ports. >I >had a portacath erode through my skin because I was underweight & also had >to access it two or more times a day. Hickmans/broviacs are the lines of >choice for daily TPN. > Why were they accessing it so often? It only needs to be accessed once a week. > Again, the line of choice depends on the Dr. and the Patient. >I don’t think that TPN would be the right thing for you though Ruada as your >small bowel is normal. > My small bowel is normal. My problem was/is my pancreas, and with that, foods > can not get in the GI tract, anywhere! So, the GI Tract is bypassed by going > through the vein. >TPN can cause a fatty liver & infections >of the blood stream via the catheter & this doesn’t occur with enteral >feeds. > I’ve spoken to a few that have had infections from the enteral feeds…from the > tubes J/G Tubes… >but I am sure your doctor >won’t put you on TPN until the enteral feedings have been tried. > For me, this wasn’t even an option, again, because of the Pancreatitis. >I have been >on TPN for 24 years (since I was 3 days old) > Yikes! I feel for you!!!! >so if you do want to find out >more about TPN or you do require it at some stage feel free to email me & I >can direct you to some info on TPN. > Same goes for me Ruada! > Robin > I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. > PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice. The information posted is > information I have learned from researching or learning from my own
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>BUT portacaths aren’t the central line of choice if daily TPN is required. >The skin over the portacath can break down with the constant accessing.
This can happen, but make sure that they don’t put the needle in the same exact spot each time. I personally was on TPN for, at one point, nine months straight, and for me and my Drs., the port was the first choice. In all honesty, at least in my opinion, any line is at risk for infection. I had more problems with Groshong Catheters then my ports. >I >had a portacath erode through my skin because I was underweight & also had >to access it two or more times a day. Hickmans/broviacs are the lines of >choice for daily TPN.
Why were they accessing it so often? It only needs to be accessed once a week. Again, the line of choice depends on the Dr. and the Patient. >I don’t think that TPN would be the right thing for you though Ruada as your >small bowel is normal.
My small bowel is normal. My problem was/is my pancreas, and with that, foods can not get in the GI tract, anywhere! So, the GI Tract is bypassed by going through the vein. >TPN can cause a fatty liver & infections >of the blood stream via the catheter & this doesn’t occur with enteral >feeds.
I’ve spoken to a few that have had infections from the enteral feeds…from the tubes J/G Tubes… >but I am sure your doctor >won’t put you on TPN until the enteral feedings have been tried.
For me, this wasn’t even an option, again, because of the Pancreatitis. >I have been >on TPN for 24 years (since I was 3 days old)
Yikes! I feel for you!!!! >so if you do want to find out >more about TPN or you do require it at some stage feel free to email me & I >can direct you to some info on TPN.
Same goes for me Ruada! Robin I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice. The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.
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Ruada, Something I was just thinking of as I remembered you posted that you have terrible veins. The port can also be used to draw blood. So, if you should need feedings, going with a port might actually be a better thing for you as it can be used later on as well for blood work…. Just a thought I wanted to pass on. Robin I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice. The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.
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Yes the portacath can be used for infusing various fluids & taking bloods BUT portacaths aren’t the central line of choice if daily TPN is required. The skin over the portacath can break down with the constant accessing. I had a portacath erode through my skin because I was underweight & also had to access it two or more times a day. Hickmans/broviacs are the lines of choice for daily TPN. I don’t think that TPN would be the right thing for you though Ruada as your small bowel is normal. TPN has a fair few risks but Naso-jejuneal tubes or J-tubes have no real side effects & the weight gain isn’t any less with enteral compared with parenteral. TPN can cause a fatty liver & infections of the blood stream via the catheter & this doesn’t occur with enteral feeds. All I am saying is you should go down the enteral feeding pathway before contemplating the parental feedings….but I am sure your doctor won’t put you on TPN until the enteral feedings have been tried. I have been on TPN for 24 years (since I was 3 days old) so if you do want to find out more about TPN or you do require it at some stage feel free to email me & I can direct you to some info on TPN. Son
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ruada, > Something I was just thinking of as I remembered you posted that you have > terrible veins. The port can also be used to draw blood. So, if you should > need feedings, going with a port might actually be a better thing for you as it > can be used later on as well for blood work…. > Just a thought I wanted to pass on. > Robin > I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. > PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice. The information posted is > information I have learned from researching or learning from my own
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Son, You are right about the anemia. Seems like when I am on TPN (used from time to time when my Pancreatitis has flared), my anemia gets worse! You’d think with all the nutrients we get from it, that wouldn’t be a problem, but evidently it is! Infection at the port site is a problem, and requires meticulous care of the site. Robin I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice. The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.
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>Ruada, the procedure that Phil was suggesting is called a Hickman >catheter.
A Hickman Catheter is one choice. There are also Groshong Catheters, Central Lines, which are very temporary, and Port a Cath’s, a.k.a. Infusaports, which are more permanent. They last for approximately 2000 sticks (depending on usage….18 months to two years, could be longer). I think there may be a couple of other types of lines (Broviac is one), but don’t remember the names. Robin >Path: >lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net
!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att .net.POSTED!not-for-mail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Newsgroups: alt.support.chronic-pain >Lines: 60 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.25.31 >X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 983021926 12.77.25.31 (Sat, 24 >Feb 2001 13:38:46 GMT) >Organization: AT&T Worldnet >Ruada, the procedure that Phil was suggesting is called a Hickman >catheter. They make a small incision in your chest wall (more on >the side that front), the then install a semi-permanent catheter >which can be capped off. After that they will up you on a schedule >of "feeding", my friend, Robert, had one for six months. His S/O >would put the feeding bag on the pole at night, so that he was being >"fed" while he was asleep. Every third day they gave him a bag of >stuff that looked like it was pure fat! It was difficult to get >used to all this, but after 6 months, he was ALIVE! The docs didn’t >think he would make it. During that whole time he couldn’t have >anything by mouth! Nothing! He had a IV to keep him hydrated. >After they took the tube out, the first thing he asked for was…of >all things…a banana popcicle! Good figure! He had to start >slowly to eat again, but he was stabilized and his biliary system >was completely recovered. >Moral of the story….there are ways to stop you unwanted weight >loss! So, don’t get to nervous. I do wish they could find the >cause of the weight lose though! >Take care and I hope you will stop losing weight….BTW…I sure >wish there was a way for you to "give" me your problem….I need to >lose about 40#..like now! >Jo
I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice. The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.
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> Now there is another option putting in a center line and the >feed you fat in a bottle and some yellow mixture. This how they fed my dad >for a few days to get him fatten up some and to rest his digestive system at >the same time. I am no doctor just seen this done if you want me to I could >find out the name of the yellow food mixture and maybe your doc would try >it. It is just like an IV no stomach tube. Maybe Dr. Work could tell you >what I am talking about. However it is a thought >PHIL
Hi Phil…. What your Dad had was a central line, which is used for a short period of time…three to four weeks. It has to be changed that often if needed for longer use. In that case, placing a port is a better option. Your Dad was given TPN, Total Parenteral Nutrition. The Fats are white, called Lipids, and the Yellow stuff is Hyperalimentation. The two together are called TPN. They look at a profile of your blood work to determine what is needed in the mixture particular to the patient. Some people need insulin added to the bag as well due to the sugar content. It will put weight on though! But, it is really the best thing out there for getting a person back to where they need to be nutritionally. Robin I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice. The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.
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Ruada, I hope you don’t have to go the route of a surgical feeding tube, but if you do, talk to the Dr. about inserting a port (port a cath, infusaport, et. al.), and doing TPN. That is Total Parenteral Nutrition. It is IV. Also, once the IV feedings stop, you don’t have something hanging out of you like a feeding tube. When the port isn’t being used, the needle is not in. It only needs to be flushed once per month. In the meantime, maybe milkshakes or Smoothies? I personally can not drink Ensure, but something a cousin did when he was recovering from surgery for Stomach Cancer worked well…..a can of Vanilla Ensure mixed with Orange Juice and put in a blender with Ice….I don’t care for the taste, but most do like it (tastes like a drink from a well known place in Atlanta…The Varsity. The Drink there is called a Frosted Orange…tastes like baby aspirin to me, but I seem to be the only one that doesn’t like that taste ;o)…). Make sure you stay hydrated with Gatorade, PediaLyte, etc. I’m here if I can help in any way! Robin I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice. The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.
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Ruada, the procedure that Phil was suggesting is called a Hickman catheter. They make a small incision in your chest wall (more on the side that front), the then install a semi-permanent catheter which can be capped off. After that they will up you on a schedule of "feeding", my friend, Robert, had one for six months. His S/O would put the feeding bag on the pole at night, so that he was being "fed" while he was asleep. Every third day they gave him a bag of stuff that looked like it was pure fat! It was difficult to get used to all this, but after 6 months, he was ALIVE! The docs didn’t think he would make it. During that whole time he couldn’t have anything by mouth! Nothing! He had a IV to keep him hydrated. After they took the tube out, the first thing he asked for was…of all things…a banana popcicle! Good figure! He had to start slowly to eat again, but he was stabilized and his biliary system was completely recovered. Moral of the story….there are ways to stop you unwanted weight loss! So, don’t get to nervous. I do wish they could find the cause of the weight lose though! Take care and I hope you will stop losing weight….BTW…I sure wish there was a way for you to "give" me your problem….I need to lose about 40#..like now! Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Do you have Thyroid trouble ? My wife has it and after her last back >surgery,she has diarrhea for over 1 1/2 years.she went from 140 lbs. >down to 93 lbs. Her Thyroid test were normal,but he lowered her >synthroid anyway,and that stopped it. The Dr. said sometimes you have >to ignore the test and treat the symptoms . >Good Luck >Lem >New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit Lee’s >in a 10. >Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t remember >ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above is >from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. I >do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s >office I had lost 80+ pounds. >It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it stop.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> the same time. I am no doctor just seen this done if you want me to I > could > find out the name of the yellow food mixture and maybe your doc would try > it. It is just like an IV no stomach tube. > What you are refering to is TPN (total parenteral nutrition). The white stuf > in the bottle is lipids & the yellow fluid is the glucose, amino acids & > vitamins. It is usually only considered as a last resort as central lines > are prone to infections & TPN is very hard on the liver. If your small bowel > has any function it is better to go don the enteral path with a naso-gastric > or naso-jejuneal tube…if it will be long term (over a month) then they can > do a G-tube (tube goes through abdo wal into stomach) or a J-tube (tube goes > through abdo wall into jejuneum).
The G-tube is what the doctor is suggesting may be needed. It has already been the better part of a year with no improvement in the stomach. Small intestine is fine — the probles are all before the pylorus. With the way my body does not fight back when it comes to infection of any kind he says the TPN is out of the question. I also have virtually no where an IV can be started..they frequently have to go to my feet to even draw blood for blood tests. > TPN is very risky due to infections (which have left me in ICU more than > once), bone disorders, liver damage & anemia. I hope you manage to get some > answers to your problems soon. > Son
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Yes I do have thyroid problems. Meds have been adjusted. I do not have diarrhea or any problems once nutrition gets past the stomach. The problem is getting it past the stomach.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Do you have Thyroid trouble ? My wife has it and after her last back > surgery,she has diarrhea for over 1 1/2 years.she went from 140 lbs. > down to 93 lbs. Her Thyroid test were normal,but he lowered her > synthroid anyway,and that stopped it. The Dr. said sometimes you have > to ignore the test and treat the symptoms . > Good Luck > Lem >New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit Lee’s >in a 10. >Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t remember >ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above is >from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. I >do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s >office I had lost 80+ pounds. >It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it stop.
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If you’re not digesting the food, then your stomach’s not producing bile? Would that be the pituitary (sp?). An entire hormonal shutdown? Have they checked out the stomach? The intestines? Boo, you need to do something, quick. Rae
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks catherine, doing that. Not counting liquid supplements or > meals (I can sometimes mange 2 of these in a day without it coming > back up.) I cannot manage to get more than 400 calories per day down > and most times that comes back in 2 to 3 days with no benefit to me > (You can still tell exactly what it was I ate). Even my gastro is at > a loss. Talking possibility of surgical feeding tube (NO NO NO NO). > Anybody got any other suggestions?
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>New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit Lee’s >in a 10. >Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t remember >ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above is >from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. I >do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s >office I had lost 80+ pounds. >It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it stop.
I am in the same predicament, although I had gained about 60 lbs in about 14 months and noone can really figure out why, they just say it’s some sort of endocrine problem (I might have a pituitary problem). Gaining all that weight in such a short time was hard for me because I have a long history of eating disorders and was. Anyhow, I have lost 36lbs of that weight in only about 6 months…an average of 4-5lbs every 4 weeks (I see my Rheumy every 4 weeks). This past month I lost 4 more lbs. Of course, my doctors are all congratulating me, because I am overweight and I think some of my docs still think that the massive weight gain was my fault when it wasnt. Then my cholesterol and triglycerides came back through the roof, and my Rheumy thought for SURE it was my fault even though I was eating healthy foods, and I dont even eat that much because of my GI problems…my belly feeels better when it is empty. I also dont eat fatty foods (I cant digest it well due to no gallbladder, and I dont eat breads because I have a hard time swallowing breads and pasta because of strictures in my esophagus). Anyhow, I am concerned over losing this much weight this fast…but noone else seems concerned because the weight needed to come off. I just wonder when they will start to be concerned. I was a thin person when I got sick, and I find that when I was thinner, my complaints were taken more seriously. That’s sad, you know? But, what I am trying to get at is that I am NOT doing anything differently now than I did when I gained the weight, which makes this whole thing more frustrating. I think I am losing weight because I have been really sick, I dont know. But I find that most docs dont become concerned if you are still overweight. I hate that frame of thinking though. Nikki "… lost in the darkness of my own circumstance, criticizing echoes leaving me awake in the night… the barrier and blockades that keep me safe and in control while I pretend that I am okay… "
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Do you have Thyroid trouble ? My wife has it and after her last back surgery,she has diarrhea for over 1 1/2 years.she went from 140 lbs. down to 93 lbs. Her Thyroid test were normal,but he lowered her synthroid anyway,and that stopped it. The Dr. said sometimes you have to ignore the test and treat the symptoms . Good Luck Lem – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit Lee’s >in a 10. >Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t remember >ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above is >from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. I >do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s >office I had lost 80+ pounds. >It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it stop.
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> the same time. I am no doctor just seen this done if you want me to I could > find out the name of the yellow food mixture and maybe your doc would try > it. It is just like an IV no stomach tube.
What you are refering to is TPN (total parenteral nutrition). The white stuf in the bottle is lipids & the yellow fluid is the glucose, amino acids & vitamins. It is usually only considered as a last resort as central lines are prone to infections & TPN is very hard on the liver. If your small bowel has any function it is better to go don the enteral path with a naso-gastric or naso-jejuneal tube…if it will be long term (over a month) then they can do a G-tube (tube goes through abdo wal into stomach) or a J-tube (tube goes through abdo wall into jejuneum). TPN is very risky due to infections (which have left me in ICU more than once), bone disorders, liver damage & anemia. I hope you manage to get some answers to your problems soon. Son Maybe Dr. Work could tell you – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> what I am talking about. However it is a thought > PHIL > Sometimes a feeding tube can do the trick to get things back on track. > Don’t > rule it out completely yet k? What about smoking P**? I hate the stuff so > it > wouldn’t work for me but it works for some. Just an idea. > love, > catherine > > Thanks catherine, doing that. Not counting liquid supplements or > > meals (I can sometimes mange 2 of these in a day without it coming > > back up.) I cannot manage to get more than 400 calories per day down > > and most times that comes back in 2 to 3 days with no benefit to me > > (You can still tell exactly what it was I ate). Even my gastro is at > > a loss. Talking possibility of surgical feeding tube (NO NO NO NO). > > Anybody got any other suggestions? > > > Woooeeeee Ruada you look sooooo sexy lady…but it’s time to stop > > now:) Get > > > a case of ensure and start sucking em back. Works for me every time. > > > love, > > > catherine > > > > New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit > > Lee’s > > > > in a 10. > > > > Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t > > remember > > > > ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above > > is > > > > from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. > > I > > > > do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s > > > > office I had lost 80+ pounds. > > > > It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it > > stop. > > > > — > > > > Ruada > > > > No HTML in e-mail or newsgroups. > > > > Maiden bring thy flowers; Mother bring thy child; > > > > Grandmother bring thy wisdom; Bright Lady bring thy power, > > > > to enlighten a blighted world.
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I have no idea how or where to get it. It is legal here for medical reasons — if you fill out the paper work and jump through the hoops, but I would not even know where to begin to find it. No really, I’m not kidding.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sometimes a feeding tube can do the trick to get things back on track. Don’t > rule it out completely yet k? What about smoking P**? I hate the stuff so it > wouldn’t work for me but it works for some. Just an idea. > love, > catherine > Thanks catherine, doing that. Not counting liquid supplements or > meals (I can sometimes mange 2 of these in a day without it coming > back up.) I cannot manage to get more than 400 calories per day down > and most times that comes back in 2 to 3 days with no benefit to me > (You can still tell exactly what it was I ate). Even my gastro is at > a loss. Talking possibility of surgical feeding tube (NO NO NO NO). > Anybody got any other suggestions? > > Woooeeeee Ruada you look sooooo sexy lady…but it’s time to stop > now:) Get > > a case of ensure and start sucking em back. Works for me every time. > > love, > > catherine > > > New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit > Lee’s > > > in a 10. > > > Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t > remember > > > ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above > is > > > from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. > I > > > do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s > > > office I had lost 80+ pounds. > > > It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it > stop. > > > — > > > Ruada > > > No HTML in e-mail or newsgroups. > > > Maiden bring thy flowers; Mother bring thy child; > > > Grandmother bring thy wisdom; Bright Lady bring thy power, > > > to enlighten a blighted world.
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Ruada, Sorry to hear about your problem I have been wanting to say that for a while. OKAY Ruada I am trying to lose weight and lost 7 pounds. MY wife says keep on losing it. So would you like some of my fat anyone else want to help ruada that has a weight problem. Only wish that it worked that way. Keep trying to suck those babies down on the ensure, here is something that taste so good. My wife loves them. They are healthsmart fudge ice cream bars. They also come with strawberry and orange. My Aunts Sister has crones disease and she is able to keep them down for a while she could only eat those and mash potatoes. They have lots of potassium 140G and protein 4g Her doc encouraged her to eat things high in Protein. Sorry to hear about your problem. Maybe a feeding tube is the way to go. For one thing it give the digestive system a chance to recover and heal. I know you do not want it. Now there is another option putting in a center line and the feed you fat in a bottle and some yellow mixture. This how they fed my dad for a few days to get him fatten up some and to rest his digestive system at the same time. I am no doctor just seen this done if you want me to I could find out the name of the yellow food mixture and maybe your doc would try it. It is just like an IV no stomach tube. Maybe Dr. Work could tell you what I am talking about. However it is a thought PHIL
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sometimes a feeding tube can do the trick to get things back on track. Don’t > rule it out completely yet k? What about smoking P**? I hate the stuff so it > wouldn’t work for me but it works for some. Just an idea. > love, > catherine > Thanks catherine, doing that. Not counting liquid supplements or > meals (I can sometimes mange 2 of these in a day without it coming > back up.) I cannot manage to get more than 400 calories per day down > and most times that comes back in 2 to 3 days with no benefit to me > (You can still tell exactly what it was I ate). Even my gastro is at > a loss. Talking possibility of surgical feeding tube (NO NO NO NO). > Anybody got any other suggestions? > > Woooeeeee Ruada you look sooooo sexy lady…but it’s time to stop > now:) Get > > a case of ensure and start sucking em back. Works for me every time. > > love, > > catherine > > > New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit > Lee’s > > > in a 10. > > > Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t > remember > > > ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above > is > > > from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. > I > > > do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s > > > office I had lost 80+ pounds. > > > It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it > stop. > > > — > > > Ruada > > > No HTML in e-mail or newsgroups. > > > Maiden bring thy flowers; Mother bring thy child; > > > Grandmother bring thy wisdom; Bright Lady bring thy power, > > > to enlighten a blighted world.
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Sometimes a feeding tube can do the trick to get things back on track. Don’t rule it out completely yet k? What about smoking P**? I hate the stuff so it wouldn’t work for me but it works for some. Just an idea. love, catherine
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks catherine, doing that. Not counting liquid supplements or > meals (I can sometimes mange 2 of these in a day without it coming > back up.) I cannot manage to get more than 400 calories per day down > and most times that comes back in 2 to 3 days with no benefit to me > (You can still tell exactly what it was I ate). Even my gastro is at > a loss. Talking possibility of surgical feeding tube (NO NO NO NO). > Anybody got any other suggestions? > Woooeeeee Ruada you look sooooo sexy lady…but it’s time to stop > now:) Get > a case of ensure and start sucking em back. Works for me every time. > love, > catherine > > New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit > Lee’s > > in a 10. > > Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t > remember > > ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above > is > > from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. > I > > do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s > > office I had lost 80+ pounds. > > It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it > stop. > > — > > Ruada > > No HTML in e-mail or newsgroups. > > Maiden bring thy flowers; Mother bring thy child; > > Grandmother bring thy wisdom; Bright Lady bring thy power, > > to enlighten a blighted world.
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Thanks catherine, doing that. Not counting liquid supplements or meals (I can sometimes mange 2 of these in a day without it coming back up.) I cannot manage to get more than 400 calories per day down and most times that comes back in 2 to 3 days with no benefit to me (You can still tell exactly what it was I ate). Even my gastro is at a loss. Talking possibility of surgical feeding tube (NO NO NO NO). Anybody got any other suggestions?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Woooeeeee Ruada you look sooooo sexy lady…but it’s time to stop now:) Get > a case of ensure and start sucking em back. Works for me every time. > love, > catherine > New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit Lee’s > in a 10. > Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t remember > ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above is > from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. I > do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s > office I had lost 80+ pounds. > It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it stop. > — > Ruada > No HTML in e-mail or newsgroups. > Maiden bring thy flowers; Mother bring thy child; > Grandmother bring thy wisdom; Bright Lady bring thy power, > to enlighten a blighted world.
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New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit Lee’s in a 10. Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t remember ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above is from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. I do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s office I had lost 80+ pounds. It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it stop. — Ruada No HTML in e-mail or newsgroups. Maiden bring thy flowers; Mother bring thy child; Grandmother bring thy wisdom; Bright Lady bring thy power, to enlighten a blighted world.
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Woooeeeee Ruada you look sooooo sexy lady…but it’s time to stop now:) Get a case of ensure and start sucking em back. Works for me every time. love, catherine
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> New today; a pair of size 9 Bongo jeans and a pair of slim fit Lee’s > in a 10. > Even as a young teen I never wore sizes this small. I don’t remember > ever wearing smaller than a 14 before in my life. But the above is > from a size 20 in December of 1999 and an 18 in February of 2000. I > do not have a scale here at home but at last count at the doctor’s > office I had lost 80+ pounds. > It is now getting scary — I cannot figure out how to make it stop. > — > Ruada > No HTML in e-mail or newsgroups. > Maiden bring thy flowers; Mother bring thy child; > Grandmother bring thy wisdom; Bright Lady bring thy power, > to enlighten a blighted world.