Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list with off topic stuff…thank you very much. Shannon
This post not CC’d by email >Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find >anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list >with off topic stuff…thank you very much. >Shannon
G’day G’day, Cholesterol and other blood lipids is very much ON topic in this group. One of the effects of high blood sugar is lower the good cholesterol HDL and raise the triglycerides. Within a certain range the ratio of triglycerides to HDL is a good measure of insulin resistance. In this group the T2s do everything they can to reduce insulin resistance. This is one way they can assess the total effect of exercise, losing weight, changing diet, oral meds. Someone will be delighted to look up the guideline values for blood lipids. The latest thinking appears to be that T2 diabetics should adopt the same tight guidelines as those who have already had a cardiac event. At the moment I need to go an eat my evening meal. Best wishes, — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
> Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find > anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list > with off topic stuff…thank you very much.
This is not off topic because it is a problem that many type 2’s battle. AFAIK, my cholesterol was fine until recently. My triglycerides where high. But my overall cholesterol was fine. I have a thyroid problem and was being overmedicated for that. That has been fixed. And I am also now on Glucophage XR. That particular med can help with cholesterol. So can bringing down BG and exercise. My last blood test showed my triglycerides being fine and my overall cholesterol at 207. My GP said <200 is ideal. Mine was high, but not high enough for concern. At least not yet. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
This post not CC’d by email >Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find >anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list >with off topic stuff…thank you very much. >Shannon
G’day G’day Shannon, Here are some figures from the book "50 Ways to Lower Your Cholesterol" by Mary P McGowan, M.D. and Jo McGowan Chopra Contemporary Books 2002. isbn 0-7373-0556-8 I am quoting the tighter ranges for coronary artery disease first because in the new thinking on the matter these are the ones that T2 diabetics should be following. The figures in this book use USA units of mg/dl Total cholesterol, less than 150 mg/dl Triglycerides, less than 100 mg/dl LDL cholesterol, less than 100 mg/dl, ideally less than 80 mg/dl HDL cholesterol, MORE than 45 mg/dl. Sometimes the figures quoted for men and women differ for HDL with women having higher levels. For people who are not diabetic and haven’t had any coronary events the less tight guidelines are, Total cholesterol, less than 200 mg/dl Triglycerides, less than 150 mg/dl LDL cholesterol, less than 130 mg/dl, ideally less than 80 mg/dl HDL cholesterol, MORE than 45 mg/dl. Hope this helps. — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
> Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find > anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list > with off topic stuff…thank you very much. > Shannon
My recent blood tests gave the following goals for diabetics: Trig: < 2.00 HDL: > 1.00 LDL: < 2.00 These are Canadian measurements.
This post not CC’d by email > Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find > anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list > with off topic stuff…thank you very much. > Shannon >My recent blood tests gave the following goals for diabetics: >Trig: < 2.00 >HDL: > 1.00 >LDL: < 2.00 >These are Canadian measurements.
Those figures should also apply in NZ and other countries that use mmol/L units. The HDL greater than 1.0 certainly does. That is the one I personally struggle with though I am always close or just making it. — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
These are the numbers my docs assistant left on my machine…I did see my doc and she put me on meds for the LDL number…ok here goes Lipid 187 Trigly 123 HGL 30 LDL 132.4 VLDL 24.6 Chlosterol HDL ratio 6.2 I have no clue what any of these numbers mean..I do not know where I am high..how I am…where I need to be..am I close to having a heart attack…my doc just said my LDL was a bit sketchy and wrote me a prescription and said keep on doing what I am doing to keep my BGLs down and see her in a month…TIA everyone…. Shannon
Hi, Most labs vary in their findings but here is a general ideal of what your numbers mean. This link will help I hope. But it is also better to ask your doctor. http://www.heartsavers.org/lipid_profile.htm Diana
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> These are the numbers my docs assistant left on my machine…I did see > my doc and she put me on meds for the LDL number…ok here goes > Lipid 187 > Trigly 123 > HGL 30 > LDL 132.4 > VLDL 24.6 > Chlosterol HDL ratio 6.2 > I have no clue what any of these numbers mean..I do not know where I am > high..how I am…where I need to be..am I close to having a heart > attack…my doc just said my LDL was a bit sketchy and wrote me a > prescription and said keep on doing what I am doing to keep my BGLs down > and see her in a month…TIA everyone…. > Shannon
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > These are the numbers my docs assistant left on my machine…I did see > my doc and she put me on meds for the LDL number…ok here goes > Lipid 187 > Trigly 123 > HGL 30 > LDL 132.4 > VLDL 24.6 > Chlosterol HDL ratio 6.2 > I have no clue what any of these numbers mean..I do not know where I am > high..how I am…where I need to be..am I close to having a heart > attack…my doc just said my LDL was a bit sketchy and wrote me a > prescription and said keep on doing what I am doing to keep my BGLs down > and see her in a month…TIA everyone…. > Shannon
A good place to look: http://ww2.heartandstroke.ca/Page.asp?PageID=24 , I’m sure there is an American equivalent… to get to mmol/L divide your numbers by 38.7
> Hi, > Most labs vary in their findings but here is a general ideal of what your > numbers mean. This link will help I hope. But it is also better to ask your > doctor. > http://www.heartsavers.org/lipid_profile.htm
This is nice…Thanks Diana — Best wishes Louise Type 2, controlling by diet and exercise
>t ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about >120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber
See – Ted can be VERY informative and useful and helpful. If he leaves the language clean, we read him. I was interested in tempeh until I read the carb count; got much better tasting alternatives, like meat and milk. Nan, Type 2, 1990
> I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not > a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound.
Even cheaper if you make it yourself. All info on making tempeh can be found here: http://www.tempeh.info
is soy bad for thyroid ? idg.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <snip> > . Remember it is a soy > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > Not good if you have a thyroid problem! > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ > Julie Bove, posting from new account
> <snip> > . Remember it is a soy > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > Not good if you have a thyroid problem!
I have never seen any evidence that this is true. Not even in places that have goiters have problem with soy.
> <snip> > . Remember it is a soy > > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > Not good if you have a thyroid problem! > I have never seen any evidence that this is true. Not even in places > that have goiters have problem with soy.
Maybe that’s because you haven’t looked. There is a blurb about it every few months in most of the magazines I read. And I read several different ones each month. Just do a search on thyroid and soy and you’ll get a ton of hits! It’s the phyto-estrogens that cause the problem. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
> >t ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about >120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber > See – Ted can be VERY informative and useful and helpful. If he leaves the > language clean, we read him. > I was interested in tempeh until I read the carb count; got much better tasting > alternatives, like meat and milk. > Nan, Type 2, 1990
Your count seems to be too high. My Tempeh is 10 carb for 6 oz. It has no meat factors in it and no meat problems associated with it. It takes only 3 oz. to make a drink and usually 3-4 oz for a meal such as found in Tempeh and Tofu scramble for breakfast. You can roll Tempeh out and fry it crisp to use as a toast sub. This is a most wonderful good all around cooking product. It is very good when sauted with shitake mushrooms, sesame seeds and oil, and Asian vegies of choice. It completely replaces meat. It is wonderful when used in soy milk for your morning drink.
Google "good" carbs 109000 hits I have a list on my wall of good and bad carbs came from my doctor actually.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> cc’d by email > Earth to Kifira > There are no such thing as "good carbs" AND who CARES if it "has no > cholesterol" > Tobacco, Canabis and Cocaine have also been used for thousands of years > (and THEY don’t have ANY carbs)- maybe we should switch to THEM. – or > Betel nut, or CUT, or…. Or bloodletting and leeches > Ted…are you making a comparison between Tempeh and Tobacco, Canabis, > Cocaine, Betel nut, bloodletting and leeches? Are you sure your blood > sugar is under control? I am serious Ted! > I don’t believe what I read. My goodness! I have never met a diabetic > like you. > Never in my present life, and certainly never in my future life too. > Cheer up man! There is more to life other than this newsgroup. > I notice that it is HARD to get specifics on the stuff > it ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about > 120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber > or fat. SOME sources give 1/2 cup as the serving size, but not most. > It is NO better for diabetics than any of a zillion similar foods. If > you are a vegan, it is a good source of protein.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > TEMPEH is a soy product and as such is used by nearly every vegan > > in the world as a protein substitute. It is a wonderful product and > > is several thousand years in use. > > I have used it many times mixed with goat milk and fruit in what > > would be called a smoothie for meal substitute. > > I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not > > a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound. That > > seems to be much less expensive that any other meat analogs or meat. > > It can be found in any regular grocery store in the cheese/organic > > foods section. > > I hope you give it a try if not in a drink as a meat replacement. > > IT has no cholesterol and only good carbs. Remember it is a soy > > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > > Kefira > > 28 January 2003
TEMPEH is a soy product and as such is used by nearly every vegan in the world as a protein substitute. It is a wonderful product and is several thousand years in use. I have used it many times mixed with goat milk and fruit in what would be called a smoothie for meal substitute. I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound. That seems to be much less expensive that any other meat analogs or meat. It can be found in any regular grocery store in the cheese/organic foods section. I hope you give it a try if not in a drink as a meat replacement. IT has no cholesterol and only good carbs. Remember it is a soy product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are a wonderful snack..Adamame. Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. Kefira 28 January 2003
actualy I found out it does have a fair amount of fat NO, I am not comparing soy to tobacco, but, when people use the lame excuse "it is natural" or "it has been used for thousands of years" it simply means that the stuff is as good for you as other natural substances which have been used for thousands of years – like tobacco. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->cc’d by email >Earth to Kifira >There are no such thing as "good carbs" AND who CARES if it "has no >cholesterol" >Tobacco, Canabis and Cocaine have also been used for thousands of years >(and THEY don’t have ANY carbs)- maybe we should switch to THEM. – or >Betel nut, or CUT, or…. Or bloodletting and leeches > Ted…are you making a comparison between Tempeh and Tobacco, Canabis, > Cocaine, Betel nut, bloodletting and leeches? Are you sure your blood > sugar is under control? I am serious Ted! > I don’t believe what I read. My goodness! I have never met a diabetic > like you. > Never in my present life, and certainly never in my future life too. > Cheer up man! There is more to life other than this newsgroup. >I notice that it is HARD to get specifics on the stuff >it ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about >120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber >or fat. SOME sources give 1/2 cup as the serving size, but not most. >It is NO better for diabetics than any of a zillion similar foods. If >you are a vegan, it is a good source of protein. >> TEMPEH is a soy product and as such is used by nearly every vegan >>in the world as a protein substitute. It is a wonderful product and >>is several thousand years in use. >> I have used it many times mixed with goat milk and fruit in what >>would be called a smoothie for meal substitute. >> I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not >>a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound. That >>seems to be much less expensive that any other meat analogs or meat. >>It can be found in any regular grocery store in the cheese/organic >>foods section. >> I hope you give it a try if not in a drink as a meat replacement. >>IT has no cholesterol and only good carbs. Remember it is a soy >>product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are >>a wonderful snack..Adamame. >>Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. >> Kefira >> 28 January 2003
<snip> . Remember it is a soy > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you.
Not good if you have a thyroid problem! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
> cc’d by email > Earth to Kifira > There are no such thing as "good carbs" AND who CARES if it "has no > cholesterol" > Tobacco, Canabis and Cocaine have also been used for thousands of years > (and THEY don’t have ANY carbs)- maybe we should switch to THEM. – or > Betel nut, or CUT, or…. Or bloodletting and leeches
Ted…are you making a comparison between Tempeh and Tobacco, Canabis, Cocaine, Betel nut, bloodletting and leeches? Are you sure your blood sugar is under control? I am serious Ted! I don’t believe what I read. My goodness! I have never met a diabetic like you. Never in my present life, and certainly never in my future life too. Cheer up man! There is more to life other than this newsgroup. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I notice that it is HARD to get specifics on the stuff > it ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about > 120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber > or fat. SOME sources give 1/2 cup as the serving size, but not most. > It is NO better for diabetics than any of a zillion similar foods. If > you are a vegan, it is a good source of protein. > TEMPEH is a soy product and as such is used by nearly every vegan > in the world as a protein substitute. It is a wonderful product and > is several thousand years in use. > I have used it many times mixed with goat milk and fruit in what > would be called a smoothie for meal substitute. > I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not > a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound. That > seems to be much less expensive that any other meat analogs or meat. > It can be found in any regular grocery store in the cheese/organic > foods section. > I hope you give it a try if not in a drink as a meat replacement. > IT has no cholesterol and only good carbs. Remember it is a soy > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > Kefira > 28 January 2003
cc’d by email Earth to Kifira There are no such thing as "good carbs" AND who CARES if it "has no cholesterol" Tobacco, Canabis and Cocaine have also been used for thousands of years (and THEY don’t have ANY carbs)- maybe we should switch to THEM. – or Betel nut, or CUT, or…. Or bloodletting and leeches I notice that it is HARD to get specifics on the stuff it ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about 120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber or fat. SOME sources give 1/2 cup as the serving size, but not most. It is NO better for diabetics than any of a zillion similar foods. If you are a vegan, it is a good source of protein. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > TEMPEH is a soy product and as such is used by nearly every vegan > in the world as a protein substitute. It is a wonderful product and > is several thousand years in use. > I have used it many times mixed with goat milk and fruit in what > would be called a smoothie for meal substitute. > I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not > a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound. That > seems to be much less expensive that any other meat analogs or meat. > It can be found in any regular grocery store in the cheese/organic > foods section. > I hope you give it a try if not in a drink as a meat replacement. > IT has no cholesterol and only good carbs. Remember it is a soy > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > Kefira > 28 January 2003
> You lost weight when dosed with two potent anti-Insulin Resistance > meds. > You are gaining weight since the more potent of the two meds was > discontinued > Conclusion/S.W.A.G. (please remember what "G" stands for)
While reducing insulin resistance should decrease weight, Actos and the other -glitizone drugs are well known for causing weight gain anyway. E
> I was diagnosed T2 about 15 months ago, and have done very well dealing > with it, having reduced my A1c from 14.2 to 5.1 in less than one year. I > lost a great deal of weight, of course, down to a svelte 178 from a high > of 250+. My Doc took me off the Actos some time ago, but kept me on 1 > gram of Glucophage XR daily. Now my question: in the last few weeks, I > seem to be putting on some poundage that I can’t explain. I am strict > doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the > reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) > So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
Good advice, as usual. Special Thanx to Oldal and Loretta, as usual. Perhaps time to start paying extra attention to those extra carbs and cals that creep in due to over confidence. We all know, those extra slices of bread or cheese that we really shouldn’t have, etc..
I dont believe it is the glucophage XR I am on it and have lost over forty pounds, it is not supposed to cause weight gain, Could it be you are living in a cold climate and therefore not as active as usual. Also 2000 calories is supposed to maintain weight but perhaps you really need only 1800. Of course this is my opinon, Either increase activity or decrease calories. Loretta In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
> I don’t know if this will help, but I was taking various oils as > supplements, (fish oil etc), and found that they were causing > weight gain. One does have to allow for the calories in these oils. > It’s easy to over look them, by only thinking of them as > supplements. Once I adjusted my diet accordingly, the weight gain > ceased. > Just one possibilty.
Interesting! I have often wondered about that. Currently, I take EPO, Flaxseed Oil, Fish Oil, vitamin E, and other non-oily supplements. At one point, I was also taking CLA, Lecithin and Creatine. The Creatine was to be taken with each meal and it seemed to be somewhat high in calories for its size. I think this was about the time period where my weight loss stopped. That could have been a factor. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
>I was diagnosed T2 about 15 months ago, and have done very well dealing >with it, having reduced my A1c from 14.2 to 5.1 in less than one year. I >lost a great deal of weight, of course, down to a svelte 178 from a high >of 250+. My Doc took me off the Actos some time ago, but kept me on 1 >gram of Glucophage XR daily. Now my question: in the last few weeks, I >seem to be putting on some poundage that I can’t explain. I am strict >doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the >reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) >So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
Glucophage has weight loss effects, not weight gain effects. Scientific Wild Eyed Guess (S.W.A.G.) Some folks with high Insulin Resistance gain weight very easily. It is one of the curses of high Insulin Resistance. You lost weight when dosed with two potent anti-Insulin Resistance meds. You are gaining weight since the more potent of the two meds was discontinued Conclusion/S.W.A.G. (please remember what "G" stands for) You are one of the **gainers**, and the increase in Insulin Resistance is making you gain. Some Action Plans: 1. How are your triglycerides? High triglycerides are a marker for Insulin Resistance. 2. Can you discuss running a fasting insulin and fasting blood sugar blood test combo with the doc? If the insulin level comes out much higher than normal, then you are still insulin resistant, and may need to go back on Actos. Remember: The primary T2 problem is Insulin Resistance, not blood sugar. You attack Insulin Resistance first, you handle blood sugar in your spare time. (You get rid of alligators by draining the swamp. It doesn’t seem that way when you are up to your waist in alligators, but that’s the way it is) Regards Old Al
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was diagnosed T2 about 15 months ago, and have done very well dealing > with it, having reduced my A1c from 14.2 to 5.1 in less than one year. I > lost a great deal of weight, of course, down to a svelte 178 from a high > of 250+. My Doc took me off the Actos some time ago, but kept me on 1 > gram of Glucophage XR daily. Now my question: in the last few weeks, I > seem to be putting on some poundage that I can’t explain. I am strict day. My > doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the > reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) > So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
I don’t know if this will help, but I was taking various oils as supplements, (fish oil etc), and found that they were causing weight gain. One does have to allow for the calories in these oils. It’s easy to over look them, by only thinking of them as supplements. Once I adjusted my diet accordingly, the weight gain ceased. Just one possibilty. Annette
> My > doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the > reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) > So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
No. ONe of the reasons Glucophage is so popular among docs for their fat patients is because it’s the only anti-diabetic drug that does *not* cause weight gain. Many diabetics, including myself, enjoy a small one time weight loss when starting the drug. As I recall, I lost 30 pounds, about the amount that Glucotrol had put on me. Losing weight shifts your metabolism. Your body becomes an energy conserver, so it becomes possible to maintain or even gain weight while eating less food. Unless you’ve increased your exercise level, this may be happening to you. E
> I was diagnosed T2 about 15 months ago, and have done very well dealing > with it, having reduced my A1c from 14.2 to 5.1 in less than one year. I > lost a great deal of weight, of course, down to a svelte 178 from a high > of 250+. My Doc took me off the Actos some time ago, but kept me on 1 > gram of Glucophage XR daily. Now my question: in the last few weeks, I > seem to be putting on some poundage that I can’t explain. I am strict > doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the > reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) > So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
If anything, it’s supposed to cause weight loss. Are you sure there isn’t some sort of swelling or a thyroid problem that could be causing the gain? — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
I was diagnosed T2 about 15 months ago, and have done very well dealing with it, having reduced my A1c from 14.2 to 5.1 in less than one year. I lost a great deal of weight, of course, down to a svelte 178 from a high of 250+. My Doc took me off the Actos some time ago, but kept me on 1 gram of Glucophage XR daily. Now my question: in the last few weeks, I seem to be putting on some poundage that I can’t explain. I am strict doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
> I love those and used to eat them as a snack. But I quit eating them since > I developed a thyroid problem. Soy isn’t the best thing to eat with thyroid > problems. > Can you elaborate on that last point? This is something I haven’t heard.
Some studies indicate that excess soy intake can cause thyroid problems. Other studies indicate that people with thyroid problems should not eat soy or should limit soy intake. Do a search on soy and thyroid and you’ll come up with a ton of hits. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
> I’ve never before paid attention to these, but while flipping through > the Glycemic Index I saw that soy nuts are a 14!!! They’re dry, so three ounces is a > LOT.
I like to sprinkle some soy nuts and some sunflower seeds on a tossed salad. They are not so dry that way and they add some flavor to the salad. Frank Roy
> I’ve never before paid attention to these, but while flipping through > the Glycemic Index I saw that soy nuts are a 14!!! That’s a great > number…. these legumes seemed pretty starchy, so I never paid > attention. Just one more example of the GI being non-intuitive.
<snip> I love those and used to eat them as a snack. But I quit eating them since I developed a thyroid problem. Soy isn’t the best thing to eat with thyroid problems. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
> I love those and used to eat them as a snack. But I quit eating them since > I developed a thyroid problem. Soy isn’t the best thing to eat with thyroid > problems.
Can you elaborate on that last point? This is something I haven’t heard. — "It is more uplifting to find the beauty, wonder, spirituality, and reverence in what we can see, than to imagine they only exist in what we [[ Type 2, diagnosed 2002-10-04, last A1c 7.2 on 2002-12-03 ]]
I’ve never before paid attention to these, but while flipping through the Glycemic Index I saw that soy nuts are a 14!!! That’s a great number…. these legumes seemed pretty starchy, so I never paid attention. Just one more example of the GI being non-intuitive. So… I found them for sale roasted and salted, some with garlic or onion, some with chili accents. I bought the simplest of them – by Pacific Horizon, in Sylmar CA. Delicious, crunchy, salty, flavorful, and (I will check next time) a suitable vehicle for other flavors as mentioned above. In the name of science, I checked my bg (104) then crunched away on about three ounces, for a published carb content of 30 grams, with 15g fiber and 21g protein. They’re dry, so three ounces is a LOT. Results: Minutes BG 15 105 30 110 45 110 60 115 75 115 90 110 105 108 This is further support for the use of the GI in selecting foods. Obviously, validity increases when others get similar results. If you try this product, please post here.
My mornings usually run 120 or so. I was SO good on Christmas Day – roast beef, salad, tiny helping of herbed potatos and braised carrots. Then – coffee – with amaretto! I haven’t had amaretto for years. I FELL! Next morning, 159! Serves me right. But it felt sooooo good. Nan, Type 2 last 12 years or so.
>Some of these posts are so funny! But, really, what does happen to someone >who’s insulin resistant or diabetic who normally follows their diet then >eats a box of chocolates? I know a person who did just that and they’re not >feeling so great, although they also have thyroid problems and aren’t sure >sometimes what’s going on. For instance, if they have a racing pulse, >despite being on a beta blocker could this be attributable to perhaps, a >"spike" after consuming the lot of chocolates? >Jere
Chocolate contains a stimulant similar to caffeine (theobromide). Folks with caffeine restrictions are also advised to limit their chocolate. http://www.mrkland.com/fun/xocoatl/caffeine.htm Regards Old Al
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Some of these posts are so funny! But, really, what does happen to someone who’s insulin resistant or diabetic who normally follows their diet then eats a box of chocolates? I know a person who did just that and they’re not feeling so great, although they also have thyroid problems and aren’t sure sometimes what’s going on. For instance, if they have a racing pulse, despite being on a beta blocker could this be attributable to perhaps, a "spike" after consuming the lot of chocolates? Jere
> Some of these posts are so funny! But, really, what does happen to someone > who’s insulin resistant or diabetic who normally follows their diet then > eats a box of chocolates? I know a person who did just that and they’re not > feeling so great, although they also have thyroid problems and aren’t sure > sometimes what’s going on. For instance, if they have a racing pulse, > despite being on a beta blocker could this be attributable to perhaps, a > "spike" after consuming the lot of chocolates?
Well, people on low carb diets typically feel crappy if they indulge in a bunch of starchy stuff. Some people feel overheated. Others feel tired. When I did my oatmeal experiment (never to be repeated!), my fingers felt tingly and weird when my blood sugar was at its highest. Normally, if I overdo it on the carbs, I just feel tired. — AF
Well, I see many different kinds of cheese in Publix. Is there a particular brand that you would suggest for snacks? Is 50% fat-reduced or 75% fat-reduced cheese OK? How about nuts? Should I try walnuts, pecans, and sunflower seeds? How about boiled Chinese tofu? How about other items for snacks? This is very important to me. Thanks! Soulis
> Well, > I see many different kinds of cheese in Publix. > Is there a particular brand that you would suggest for > snacks? Is 50% fat-reduced or 75% fat-reduced > cheese OK? > How about nuts? Should I try walnuts, pecans, > and sunflower seeds? How about boiled Chinese tofu? > How about other items for snacks? > This is very important to me.
It really depends on what you like and what kind of diet you are on. Personally I can’t stand reduced fat cheeses so I usually don’t eat them, with a few exceptions. I do eat reduced fat cottage and ricotta cheeses, but only because I prefer the taste. The nuts I usually eat are walnuts, pecans and peanuts. Will sometimes have cashews or mixed nuts. Very rarely have sunflower seeds. Will sometimes take a few at a salad bar. And I don’t do tofu. For one thing I don’t like it. For another I try not to eat much soy because of a thyroid problem. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
Recipe: Roast tofu 1 pound tofu 1 1/2 tbsp sesame oil 1 tsp rice wine vinegar 1 tbsp soy sauce 1 to 1 1/2 tbsp maple syrup Pinch of cayenne pepper Couple grinds of fresh balck pepper Cut tofu lenghthwise into three pieces. Mix ingredients in bowl. Place tofu on baking sheet. Pour mixture over tofu. Coat evenly, turning tofu over in sauce. Bake at 350 for 25 minutes. I have this for breakfast when I’m sick of eggs. Or snacks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, > I see many different kinds of cheese in Publix. > Is there a particular brand that you would suggest for > snacks? Is 50% fat-reduced or 75% fat-reduced > cheese OK? > How about nuts? Should I try walnuts, pecans, > and sunflower seeds? How about boiled Chinese tofu? > How about other items for snacks? > This is very important to me. > It really depends on what you like and what kind of diet you are on. > Personally I can’t stand reduced fat cheeses so I usually don’t eat them, > with a few exceptions. I do eat reduced fat cottage and ricotta cheeses, > but only because I prefer the taste. > The nuts I usually eat are walnuts, pecans and peanuts. Will sometimes have > cashews or mixed nuts. Very rarely have sunflower seeds. Will sometimes > take a few at a salad bar. > And I don’t do tofu. For one thing I don’t like it. For another I try not > to eat much soy because of a thyroid problem. > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ > Julie Bove, posting from new account
Try: The Book of Tofu http://store.ic.org/products/book-of-tofu.html Cabot’s all natural light cheddar cheeses, both 50% and 75% reduced fat, are excellent (IMHO) http://www.cabotcheese.com/f1.tmpl?left=menu-ourproducts.html&right=l…
Here is a list of my favorite snacks. In no particular order they are macadamia nuts, sugar free popsicles, sugar free fudgsicles, sugar free jello, sugar free pudding, cheese, peanut butter kudos, lance peanut butter crackers, veggies and dip, sara lee cheesecake bites, dove (ice cream) miniatures, homemade chicken broth sometimes with French style green beans, homemade vegetable soup made from all my leftover low carb veggies, peanut butter or macadamia nut butter on low carb toast or celery, pine nuts, leftover meats and fish, leftover salad, carbolite candy bars, carnation low fat hot chocolate, orville reddenbaucher sour cream and onion popcorn cakes, any type of diet rite soda, crystal light, a few grapes, strawberries or blueberries (7g carb serving of the fruit). Some of these are not really low carb. For example, the kudos bar has 17g and the peanut butter crackers have 18g carbs, but they are handy when I am out and about. I may only have part of the package, saving the rest in a ziplock bag. And some of them are only low carb because the portion is so small, for example the dove bars and the cheesecake bites. And some have virtually no carbs such as the chicken broth and green beans. I used to be a potato chip junkie and I really like ice cream so on occasion I will measure out a 15g carb serving and indulge myself! Personally, I don’t like reduced fat cheese. I’d rather have less of the real thing. — Best wishes Louise Type 2, controlling by diet and exercise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well, > I see many different kinds of cheese in Publix. > Is there a particular brand that you would suggest for > snacks? Is 50% fat-reduced or 75% fat-reduced > cheese OK? > How about nuts? Should I try walnuts, pecans, > and sunflower seeds? How about boiled Chinese tofu? > How about other items for snacks? > This is very important to me. > Thanks! > Soulis
> Well, > I see many different kinds of cheese in Publix. > Is there a particular brand that you would suggest for > snacks? Is 50% fat-reduced or 75% fat-reduced > cheese OK? > How about nuts? Should I try walnuts, pecans, > and sunflower seeds? How about boiled Chinese tofu? > How about other items for snacks? > This is very important to me.
For most items, the reduced fat varieties mean that the carb count has been increased, and for diabetics, that is the thing to worry about. I suggest eating the real full-fat cheeses. Any kind is ok as they all contain less than 1 gram of carbs per serving. As for nuts, macadamias, almonds, and pecans are best because they are low-carb and have a good lipid balance. Peanuts are ok in moderation. Go easy on the cashews, though. They are rather carby. — http://LowCarbDiet.us
writes: >Cabot’s all natural light cheddar cheeses, both 50% and 75% reduced fat, >are excellent (IMHO)
they make one with jalepenos. As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 189/159/120
>ell, >I see many different kinds of cheese in Publix. >Is there a particular brand that you would suggest for >snacks? Is 50% fat-reduced or 75% fat-reduced >cheese OK? >How about nuts? Should I try walnuts, pecans, >and sunflower seeds? How about boiled Chinese tofu? >How about other items for snacks? >This is very important to me. >Thanks!
I use 50% fat reduced Jarlsburg Swiss cheese and regular cheddar cheese. I usually mix them half and half with my crackers and ham at night. I use the 50% off because it tastes good, not because it is 50% off. I also find that the fat in the cheese helps keep the carbs in the crackers slow. I eat pistachios and sunflower seeds. Havent tried tofu yet, but do use Keto bread crumbs in my meatloaf. Snacks-deviled eggs, SF jello with whip cream, just plain cheese and Pepperoni, celery and some carrots with dip( watch the carbs in the dip and baby carrots have more carbs than regular carrots. Hope this helps. As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 189/159/120
.Q-Gel, have been clinically tested using > pharmacokinetic studies to be at least 1.5 times more bioavailable than > competing gel-caps and more than 2.5 times more bioavailable than a standard > tablet or powder.
You can compensate for the difference by simply taking a higher dose of the product with the lower bioavailability. This difference in quality is very significant. Bioavailability has nothing to do with "quality." "Quality" in chemistry includes such issues as contamination, degradation over time, adequate or inadequate storage, etc.
Thanks for the info. Ken.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes, it’s readily available just about anywhere…..it’s a very common > Nutrient.It’s mainly used as an optimiser…As in most optimisers you do not > want to be taking it without taking your basics. The Q gel form of Coenzyme > q10 is the best.Q-Gel, have been clinically tested using > pharmacokinetic studies to be at least 1.5 times more bioavailable than > competing gel-caps and more than 2.5 times more bioavailable than a standard > tablet or powder. This difference in quality is very significant. Coenzyme > Q10 also needs alpha-lipoic acid to work well. > Ken.W 7 Years Med Free > where can you find this coenzyme, in addition to USANA? Do they carry it > as > a supliment in health food stores? > > Yes, fatigue is very common with IBD. When I upped my dosage of > CoenzymeQ10 > > I noticed the difference in my energy level within a couple of days. > > CoenzymeQ10 is essential for virtually all energy production. It works > to > > help transfer electrons in the energy cycle in the mitochondria. It is > also > > intimately involved in maintaining immuinity and in normal heart > function. > > Ken.W 7 Years Med Free > > > I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > > > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that > > caused > > > it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue > > > accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the > > fatigue? > > > I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. > > > I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having > > > nothing to compare it to in the past. > > > -Kelly
Yes, it’s readily available just about anywhere…..it’s a very common Nutrient.It’s mainly used as an optimiser…As in most optimisers you do not want to be taking it without taking your basics. The Q gel form of Coenzyme q10 is the best.Q-Gel, have been clinically tested using pharmacokinetic studies to be at least 1.5 times more bioavailable than competing gel-caps and more than 2.5 times more bioavailable than a standard tablet or powder. This difference in quality is very significant. Coenzyme Q10 also needs alpha-lipoic acid to work well. Ken.W 7 Years Med Free
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> where can you find this coenzyme, in addition to USANA? Do they carry it as > a supliment in health food stores? > Yes, fatigue is very common with IBD. When I upped my dosage of > CoenzymeQ10 > I noticed the difference in my energy level within a couple of days. > CoenzymeQ10 is essential for virtually all energy production. It works to > help transfer electrons in the energy cycle in the mitochondria. It is > also > intimately involved in maintaining immuinity and in normal heart function. > Ken.W 7 Years Med Free > > I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that > caused > > it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue > > accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the > fatigue? > > I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. > > I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having > > nothing to compare it to in the past. > > -Kelly
where can you find this coenzyme, in addition to USANA? Do they carry it as a supliment in health food stores?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes, fatigue is very common with IBD. When I upped my dosage of CoenzymeQ10 > I noticed the difference in my energy level within a couple of days. > CoenzymeQ10 is essential for virtually all energy production. It works to > help transfer electrons in the energy cycle in the mitochondria. It is also > intimately involved in maintaining immuinity and in normal heart function. > Ken.W 7 Years Med Free > I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that > caused > it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue > accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the > fatigue? > I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. > I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having > nothing to compare it to in the past. > -Kelly
uhhhh, noooouuuuuwwwww….i have had my camping dayz…all done!! jeffy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Peace and Love > Maryjo
Attagirl Michelle! Go get ‘em 
Wishing you the very best of luck and good health. Hugs, Linda
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kelly, > It is very common with those of us that have chronic inflammatory > conditions. It wears on and drains the body. My surgeons Nurse > Practitioner said I am only running at 85%. If that’s the case then the > world better watch out once I have recover from having my colon removed! > Michelle >I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most >incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that caused >it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue >accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the fatigue? >I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. >I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having >nothing to compare it to in the past. >-Kelly > — > Michelle P CP-ASEL-IA PP-AMEL-IA (CP-ASMEL-IA as soon as I recover from > surgery) AMT-A&P "Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike) > Flying is a Freedom that those who drive cars cannot comprehend.
Kelly, It is very common with those of us that have chronic inflammatory conditions. It wears on and drains the body. My surgeons Nurse Practitioner said I am only running at 85%. If that’s the case then the world better watch out once I have recover from having my colon removed! Michelle >I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most >incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that caused >it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue >accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the fatigue? >I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. >I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having >nothing to compare it to in the past. >-Kelly
– Michelle P CP-ASEL-IA PP-AMEL-IA (CP-ASMEL-IA as soon as I recover from surgery) AMT-A&P "Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike) Flying is a Freedom that those who drive cars cannot comprehend.
I suffer from a lot of fatigue too. I have UC. I think it can be due to a nubmer of things including malnutrition. Also when there’s inflammation, the body has to use a great deal of energy coping with it. Faisal
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that caused > it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue > accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the fatigue? > I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. > I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having > nothing to compare it to in the past. > -Kelly
Peace and Love Maryjo
I have always wondered how vegetarians get by without much CoenzymeQ10. Isn’t this mostly acquired by eating meat? Spidey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Yes, fatigue is very common with IBD. When I upped my dosage of CoenzymeQ10 > I noticed the difference in my energy level within a couple of days. > CoenzymeQ10 is essential for virtually all energy production. It works to > help transfer electrons in the energy cycle in the mitochondria. It is also > intimately involved in maintaining immuinity and in normal heart function. > Ken.W 7 Years Med Free > I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that > caused > it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue > accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the > fatigue? > I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. > I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having > nothing to compare it to in the past. > -Kelly
Will do Susan .. just thank goodness that the camper has a furnace and we will have plenty of firewood !! Peace and Love Maryjo
Hi Kelly, > I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that caused > it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue > accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the fatigue? > I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that.
My GI doctor’s have said that the inflammation from CD causes the fatigue. While many CD people suffer fatigue, the amount varies considerably between people. If your doctor thinks your fatigue is excessive, perhaps you should have other diagnostics done to see if there is some other cause. Some of the things you might check into are: bad sleep hygiene, thyroid problems, parasitic infection and food allergies / intolerances. If you are dealing with depression you could get fatigue from that as well. One thing that has worked for me is diet. I’ve found no magic bullet but I have been able to lessen my fatigue by restricting my diet. I suggest keeping a food diary for long term tracking – note all the foods you eat and how well you feel; later check if there are any patterns. I think an elimination diet, one where you reduce your diet to a few "safe" foods and add one new item at a time, can be a good tool but you should discuss this with your doctor. Best wishes, — Luke The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese
Yes, fatigue is very common with IBD. When I upped my dosage of CoenzymeQ10 I noticed the difference in my energy level within a couple of days. CoenzymeQ10 is essential for virtually all energy production. It works to help transfer electrons in the energy cycle in the mitochondria. It is also intimately involved in maintaining immuinity and in normal heart function. Ken.W 7 Years Med Free
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that caused > it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue > accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the fatigue? > I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. > I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having > nothing to compare it to in the past. > -Kelly
Ditto!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> personally, i think at least my fatigue is due to my hemoglobin blood > counts. it is normal for a cd’er to have low blood counts, lower than > normal. also, if you are flaring, i think that takes a tremendous effort on > the part of your body to struggle with the inflammation and fight off the > issues you are having. i have these things, just my opinion and some of my > internist’s thrown in too. > jeffy > I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that > caused > it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue > accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the > fatigue? > I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. > I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having > nothing to compare it to in the past. > -Kelly
> I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that > caused it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about > fatigue accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think > causes the fatigue? I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt > that. > I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having > nothing to compare it to in the past. > -Kelly
I’m not sure if my response to your message will be very helpful, as my health is extremely decrepid due to my own personal neglect. Anyways, I have a lot of flares, and I feel drained _always_. Opiates usually give me a boost of energy, although it’s not a remedy that most people desire, or even have the option of choosing for that matter. I would exercise, but my joint pains are ruling me, and my heart is probably going to explode any day now.
drink a lot susan? really? okay!!!! lol jeffy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kelly fatigue seems to be common. Just try to rest when you can and drink > a lot and as long as your iron is ok you should be ok. If it continues or > gets worse contact your dr. Maryjo, Have some fun for me too if you would! > UM MOM Susan > Kelly > not sure if the fatigue is just during a flare .. I tend to be fatigued > most of > the time .. I find that when I get the chance to rest (which seems to be > next > to impossible at times) that the fatigue diminishes … so, when you feel > tired to & > R .. > leaving home on Saturday morning ..going camping in St Augustine at the > state > park and will return home Wednesday to bring home the camper and the dog > and > heading back out to St Augustine to spend Thanksgiving with my mom, dad, > and > brothers and their wives … > Peace and Love > Maryjo
there ya go!!!! hee, hee jeffy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kelly > not sure if the fatigue is just during a flare .. I tend to be fatigued most of > the time .. I find that when I get the chance to rest (which seems to be next > to impossible at times) that the fatigue diminishes … so, when you feel tired R .. > leaving home on Saturday morning ..going camping in St Augustine at the state > park and will return home Wednesday to bring home the camper and the dog and > heading back out to St Augustine to spend Thanksgiving with my mom, dad, and > brothers and their wives … > Peace and Love > Maryjo
Well you and I are in the same boat as I was only diagnosed in June so I don’t have anything to compare to either. I can tell you some days I am so tired and groggy that I feel like I am just coming out of anesthetic. I don’t know either if this is that common but boy I sure have my days. I am getting B12 shots and my blood work is not to bad at all.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that caused > it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue > accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the fatigue? > I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. > I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having > nothing to compare it to in the past. > -Kelly
personally, i think at least my fatigue is due to my hemoglobin blood counts. it is normal for a cd’er to have low blood counts, lower than normal. also, if you are flaring, i think that takes a tremendous effort on the part of your body to struggle with the inflammation and fight off the issues you are having. i have these things, just my opinion and some of my internist’s thrown in too. jeffy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most > incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that caused > it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue > accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the fatigue? > I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. > I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having > nothing to compare it to in the past. > -Kelly
Kelly fatigue seems to be common. Just try to rest when you can and drink a lot and as long as your iron is ok you should be ok. If it continues or gets worse contact your dr. Maryjo, Have some fun for me too if you would! UM MOM Susan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kelly > not sure if the fatigue is just during a flare .. I tend to be fatigued most of > the time .. I find that when I get the chance to rest (which seems to be next > to impossible at times) that the fatigue diminishes … so, when you feel tired R .. > leaving home on Saturday morning ..going camping in St Augustine at the state > park and will return home Wednesday to bring home the camper and the dog and > heading back out to St Augustine to spend Thanksgiving with my mom, dad, and > brothers and their wives … > Peace and Love > Maryjo
Kelly not sure if the fatigue is just during a flare .. I tend to be fatigued most of the time .. I find that when I get the chance to rest (which seems to be next to impossible at times) that the fatigue diminishes … so, when you feel tired leaving home on Saturday morning ..going camping in St Augustine at the state park and will return home Wednesday to bring home the camper and the dog and heading back out to St Augustine to spend Thanksgiving with my mom, dad, and brothers and their wives … Peace and Love Maryjo
I have CD and I had my first flare about a month ago. I had the most incredible fatigue for 3 days. I didnt know if it was the flare that caused it or not, but I am reading a lot, on this newsgroup, about fatigue accompaning flares….is that common? WHat do you think causes the fatigue? I had a CBC done and my iron was fine, so it wasnt that. I have a lot of questions about whether this flare was typical, having nothing to compare it to in the past. -Kelly
does anyone here (besides me) have both thalassemia minor and RA? diane
> does anyone here (besides me) have both thalassemia minor and RA? > diane
Hhhhm, I have never seen that word but I hope I do not have what ever it is. Harv
>Hhhhm, I have never seen that word but I hope I do not have what ever it is.
lol, harv. you would know it if you had it. it’s a blood disorder common to people in mediterranean (sp?) countries. all my sibs and i have the "minor" version. if we’d had the "major version" we wouldn’t be around. anyhow, it keeps one anemic, having nothing to do with the I-word (don’t want to prevent those who have kill filed the I-word from getting this message.) for example, my usual hemoglobin is around 9.2 and hematocrit around 32. it’s been that way all my life, but my GI doc, whom i saw today, thinks my RA/drugs are making my fatgue worse and suggested i talk with my hemotologist about taking procrit. so i was wondering if anyone else is grappling with both thal.minor and RA and how there were doing. looks like i might be alone here, tho. i love the idea of trying procrit. i’ve always wondered what it would feel like to have a hemoglobin in the normal range. diane
What is procrit, exactly?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hhhhm, I have never seen that word but I hope I do not have what ever it is. > lol, harv. you would know it if you had it. it’s a blood disorder common to > people in mediterranean (sp?) countries. all my sibs and i have the "minor" > version. if we’d had the "major version" we wouldn’t be around. anyhow, it > keeps one anemic, having nothing to do with the I-word (don’t want to prevent > those who have kill filed the I-word from getting this message.) for example, > my usual hemoglobin is around 9.2 and hematocrit around 32. it’s been that way > all my life, but my GI doc, whom i saw today, thinks my RA/drugs are making my > fatgue worse and suggested i talk with my hemotologist about taking procrit. so > i was wondering if anyone else is grappling with both thal.minor and RA and how > there were doing. looks like i might be alone here, tho. i love the idea of > trying procrit. i’ve always wondered what it would feel like to have a > hemoglobin in the normal range. > diane
hi deb, thanks for coming out of lurk mode to talk about your thalassemia. it looks like maybe you and i are the only two here with it?? i don’t know if there’s a connection with infections (i don’t think so), but i am curious to find out about the option of using procrit and maybe finding out what it feels like to have a normal hemoglobin. diane
> hi deb, > thanks for coming out of lurk mode to talk about your thalassemia. it looks > like maybe you and i are the only two here with it?? i don’t know if there’s a > connection with infections (i don’t think so), but i am curious to find out > about the option of using procrit and maybe finding out what it feels like to > have a normal hemoglobin. > diane
Thanks for answering, Diane. Some of my family members also have the anemia. I know that we have all had too darn many infections over the years. We were all told separately that the anemia caused us to be sick (and tired) more often. It popped into my head when I heard compromised immune system. I asked the Dr if it could be causing the never ending infections, he said yes. I started having infections in the 4th grade and never had more than a few months in between I am 41 now. I hear the commercials for Procrit too and wonder if it would help. Deb
>But what chemical is it? Is it erythropoietin?
Yes. The other brandname is Epogen. They’re both epoetin alfa, the recombinant form of erythropoietin. — Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"
>But what chemical is it? Is it erythropoietin? > Yes. The other brandname is Epogen. They’re both epoetin alfa, the > recombinant form of erythropoietin.
Thanks for clearing that up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Head Muso, White Rats Morris, Faultline Morris > Member, Knights of Xenu (1995). Chaos Monger and Jill of All Trades. > "A head-on collision between Morticia Adams and Martha Stewart"
Over simplified – genetic predisposition where the red blood cells are ‘much’ smaller than normal and unable to carry the correct amount of oxy as a result – causing anemia. In many severe cases blood transfusions are needed but over time those cause iron overload and then that has to be cleaned up – nasty cycle that throws everything off. Many with this also have throid/parathyroid problems also. Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> does anyone here (besides me) have both thalassemia minor and RA? > diane > Hhhhm, I have never seen that word but I hope I do not have what ever it is. > Harv
Sorry Di, I’ve only know one other with both, years ago when I was a Dr Brown’s clinic a little bitty sicilian girl. Her family had brought her over to be in Brown’s anti-bio study. She dropped out about the same time I did when that approach didn’t work – ‘course that was for the RA, not the thal. Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > does anyone here (besides me) have both thalassemia minor and RA? > diane
thanks, paul. wonder how she’s doing now? d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sorry Di, I’ve only know one other with both, years ago when I was a Dr >Brown’s clinic a little bitty sicilian girl. Her family had brought her >over to be in Brown’s anti-bio study. She dropped out about the same >time I did when that approach didn’t work – ‘course that was for the RA, >not the thal. >Paul > does anyone here (besides me) have both thalassemia minor and RA? > diane
> does anyone here (besides me) have both thalassemia minor and RA? > diane
I have known about my Mediterranean anemia (thalassemia minor) for about 20 years. I knew I had OA. I have had 4 operations on my right knee. The last 2 operations were June 2000 (scope) and Jan 2001 (uni—). My orthopedic surgeon had no other alternative to relieve pain than more surgery (TKR). I put the brakes on and went back to my primary to find what might else be causing the 24/7 pain. I asked about going to a rheumatologist, so the primary ordered a profile. I got the results back from my profile. I don’t know the details, but I am researching. All I know so far is that I have Crest syndrome. The anemia has crossed my mind when I think back to all the infections I have had. Deb < a lurker>
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hhhhm, I have never seen that word but I hope I do not have what ever it is. > lol, harv. you would know it if you had it. it’s a blood disorder common to > people in mediterranean (sp?) countries. all my sibs and i have the "minor" > version. if we’d had the "major version" we wouldn’t be around. anyhow, it > keeps one anemic, having nothing to do with the I-word (don’t want to prevent > those who have kill filed the I-word from getting this message.) for example, > my usual hemoglobin is around 9.2 and hematocrit around 32. it’s been that way > all my life, but my GI doc, whom i saw today, thinks my RA/drugs are making my > fatgue worse and suggested i talk with my hemotologist about taking procrit. so > i was wondering if anyone else is grappling with both thal.minor and RA and how > there were doing. looks like i might be alone here, tho. i love the idea of > trying procrit. i’ve always wondered what it would feel like to have a > hemoglobin in the normal range. > diane
Good luck with it DC. Harv
But what chemical is it? Is it erythropoietin?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Procit is an injection to increase RBC, usually given to those on cancer > chemotherapy. Widely advertised on Tv with warm fuzzy commercials. Many > of my ‘heroes’ in the oncology lab where I get my Remicade get the shot > as they leave the room.
Procit is an injection to increase RBC, usually given to those on cancer chemotherapy. Widely advertised on Tv with warm fuzzy commercials. Many of my ‘heroes’ in the oncology lab where I get my Remicade get the shot as they leave the room.
I think you need to remember, some of us don’t think of our cats as pets. I know I see my cats as my kids. — If you love the radio station, you’ll love the gear. Vist the Cat Galaxy Store today! http://www.cafepress.com/catgalaxy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I joined this newsgroup because I love my cats and I hoped that I might be able > to get some good advice from friendly people. Wrong! I ask one question and I > get insulted. Most (not all) of you people act like you are better than > everyone else. It’s sickening. You need to come down off your high horses and > join the rest of the world. We’re just average, normal people who love our pets > as much as you do. You’re no better than anyone else. Maybe someday you’ll > realize that.
See the post "spaying" Gail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > errrmm.. what was your original post about again? I scan thru.. but being a > vet tech student and a member of several yahoo groups doesn’t give a person > much time… > If you reply, I will be more than happy to offer my opinion! > — > Some people have lives, others have cats. > I joined this newsgroup because I love my cats and I hoped that I might be > able > to get some good advice from friendly people. Wrong! I ask one question > and I > get insulted. Most (not all) of you people act like you are better than > everyone else. It’s sickening. You need to come down off your high horses > and > join the rest of the world. We’re just average, normal people who love our > pets > as much as you do. You’re no better than anyone else. Maybe someday you’ll > realize that.
> I rescued over the summer, at home with his new big brother. > (http://community.webshots.com/user/pattyc4303)
Awe! He looks happy Karen
>>Amazing how you crawled out from under your rock all of a sudden…. >Nothing sudden or amazing, darling. I have been coming here regularly, though >not daily, for ages. Today, I wanted to share a picture of one of the kittens >I rescued over the summer, at home with his new big brother. >(http://community.webshots.com/user/pattyc4303)
They are adorable!!!!!! M.
>> I rescued over the summer, at home with his new big brother. > (http://community.webshots.com/user/pattyc4303) >Awe! He looks happy >Karen
JUST in case it was not clear, the pic named "Reuben" is the one that shows the former "Moe" with his new buddy. While the pic is not of the greatest quality, it has made me happy to see it, as he is the one I wanted to keep. Christina, the vet tech who adopted him, told me today that he and Veski get along great, and that Veski kind of watches over him. That is very good, since my girls pretty much seemed to hate him! I feel like I did a major good deed, which is why I am thinking of volunteering at the spay/neuter clinic. Those feel good feelings are few and far between! PattyC Well it’s not really their wedding invitation, which I would have liked to have seen…. But anyway. WHAT person who actually was invited to this wedding, would see their gift token? It seems crass to me. PattyC "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people."
>I joined this newsgroup because I love my cats and I hoped that I might be able >to get some good advice from friendly people. Wrong! I ask one question and I >get insulted. Most (not all) of you people act like you are better than >everyone else. It’s sickening. You need to come down off your high horses and >join the rest of the world. We’re just average, normal people who love our pets >as much as you do. You’re no better than anyone else. Maybe someday you’ll >realize that.
Please notice that you got one one not-very-polite answer from one poster, while all the other posters tried to help you. Yes, it is necessary to have your kitty spayed as soon as possible – otherwise she will be (actually she already is) suffering. For more info, you might want to check http://www.maxshouse.com/spaying_and_neutering.htm Don
This has been a really fascinating conversation I didn’t expect baggy skin on my thighs, sheesh. I probably do look older after losing 70 pounds, but at least I feel decades younger. I lost my wedding ring while riding waves in Southern Cal. It was only a simple gold band and I’m not sentimental, no problem. I sure wouldn’t have gone out on that beach without the weight loss. Thrift stores saved me when I started dropping sizes. I wasn’t about to buy new stuff to garden in, or walk the dog. My feet haven’t shrunken. I wear new balance 9.5 EE, and I bought a pair of plain E in the same style. The soles look the same width, but the shoes sure aren’t. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > That may or may not happen. Don’t know that weight loss causes > wrinkles but > > > > it sure can cause loose skin! > > > Ever seen loose skin that didn’t wrinkle? I haven’t. 
> Unfortunately I have. It’s on my stomach and arms. Not sure that the > wrinkles would improve it any, but I guess that’s something to look forward > to. *L* > > > Thanks for your input Julie. > > Ummmm another phenomenon. > > My wedding ring is so loose I’ve nearly lost it a couple times this > > week, and my shoes seem to be too big. Did that happen to you? > Yep! Mine is very loose. Have one pair of shoes that feel really loose, > OK. So I won’t order those $600 diabetic shoes this week. > Would be nice if I could get narrower than a EEEE. > Decided to put my wedding ring away for a while. I guess that’ll start > some rumors at work > Carol
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > That may or may not happen. Don’t know that weight loss causes > wrinkles but > > > it sure can cause loose skin! > > Ever seen loose skin that didn’t wrinkle? I haven’t. > Unfortunately I have. It’s on my stomach and arms. Not sure that the > wrinkles would improve it any, but I guess that’s something to look forward > to. *L* > > Thanks for your input Julie. > Ummmm another phenomenon. > My wedding ring is so loose I’ve nearly lost it a couple times this > week, and my shoes seem to be too big. Did that happen to you? > Yep! Mine is very loose. Have one pair of shoes that feel really loose,
OK. So I won’t order those $600 diabetic shoes this week. Would be nice if I could get narrower than a EEEE. Decided to put my wedding ring away for a while. I guess that’ll start some rumors at work Carol
> Here I am eavesdropping on the ladies. I am curious: > I lost 70 pounds in 9-10 months, and I expected > loose skin. But it doesn’t seem to have happened to me. > Why would that be? What could explain it not happening? > Not that I’m complaining…. > I’d like to figure it out, because I know people > who are afraid to lose because of that skin thing.
Heredity, I think. At least I remember reading that somewhere. I hate seeing those before and after shots of people that have lost weight. How come none of them ever have the loose skin? Not fair! — Type 2 http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
Here I am eavesdropping on the ladies. I am curious: I lost 70 pounds in 9-10 months, and I expected loose skin. But it doesn’t seem to have happened to me. Why would that be? What could explain it not happening? Not that I’m complaining…. I’d like to figure it out, because I know people who are afraid to lose because of that skin thing.
> > > That may or may not happen. Don’t know that weight loss causes wrinkles but > > it sure can cause loose skin! > Ever seen loose skin that didn’t wrinkle? I haven’t.
Unfortunately I have. It’s on my stomach and arms. Not sure that the wrinkles would improve it any, but I guess that’s something to look forward to. *L* > Thanks for your input Julie. > Ummmm another phenomenon. > My wedding ring is so loose I’ve nearly lost it a couple times this > week, and my shoes seem to be too big. Did that happen to you?
Yep! Mine is very loose. Have one pair of shoes that feel really loose, but they might just run a bit large. My feet got both larger and wider during pregnancy and I was unable to find any shoes in the stores where I used to live that that fit me and were comfortable. I had to resort to online ordering. These shoes are the same brand that I usually wear (New Balance), but I have a feeling this particular style might run a bit large. I have one other pair that I ordered at the same time that is a different style and also my old shoes. They are not loose. But I do know of people who say they go down a shoe size when they lose weight. Would love for my feet to be medium width again though. *crossing fingers* > Carol > who got her flu shot today and has only lost 1 pound this month
I’ve gained to. Or perhaps I have. Hard to tell since it’s a new Dr. and his scale might be calibrated differently. My clothes are still loose though, so that’s encouraging. — Type 2 http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
> > That may or may not happen. Don’t know that weight loss causes wrinkles but > it sure can cause loose skin! > Ever seen loose skin that didn’t wrinkle? I haven’t. > Thanks for your input Julie.
Ummmm another phenomenon. My wedding ring is so loose I’ve nearly lost it a couple times this week, and my shoes seem to be too big. Did that happen to you? Carol who got her flu shot today and has only lost 1 pound this month
> Switched from Synthroid to Levoxyl. Why? My insurance would no longer > cover the Synthroid. And oddly, the weight began coming off again at a much > faster clip. Can’t say for sure if it is the Levoxyl doing it or not. Diet > and exercise have not changed. Went to the Dr. two days ago and appear to > have gained 4 pounds. This is a different Dr. though. So I am not worried > about the weight difference because of variation in scales and also because > of the time of the month. I know by the way my clothes are fitting and by > my tape measure that I am smaller.
Yeah. That’s me. Not a pound lost but down 3and half sizes in about 5 weeks almost immediately after starting Levoxyl. How close to the change did you notice the rapid size change? > I can relate to the pregnant body builder thing. Ever since I had the baby, > I have retained that shape. Not flattering, but can’t seem to do anything > about it.
For me it was gall bladder surgury. I was built like Dolly Parton. Very tiny waist, and I’m short. Heavy breasts so I always wore long lines. The boning rubbed me raw and I always had a sort of scar and my tiny waist. The damn Dr. used it a cutting line. So my waist was converted overnight from an innie to a really outie. For years I wondered if theyed implanted some sort of huge ball in there. NOTHING would impact it. Maybe in a month or so I’ll find that waist again. :D > If you are not having frequent hypos and your numbers are good, then I’d say > stick with what you are doing now.
Welllll not hypos. But until I started Levoxyl I could work 3 hours on the floor and my bg might still be around 100 when I took my break. Now I have to test every 2 hours and I’ve been consistently way down at 80 or into the low 70’s even though I’m eating more before I go on the floor. I don’t mean I’m scarfing down two plates of spaghetti or something. I just mean that where last spring I might eat a sandwich and a diet beverage, at a certain prepradial bg level, now I might eat a sandwich and have a glass of milk and maybe even a serving of chips. And yet at the same exercise level of walking/running/whatever on the floor my bgs will be down at least enough that if I could GUARANTEE my exercise level I would have maybe added another carb serving. Still a bit shy about eating based on the maximum I might expend rather than the average. Or maybe I haven’t accepted the new average means I should always eat that one extra carb serving. I get really stupid if I get below 100 and I’m not noticing it anymore now that I’m using Levoxyl. Also there are so many new people at work that don’t know me, they can’t tell when I’m unusally thick headed and suggest that I test myself. So I have things to wear. They just might not be the most > fashionable.
I never was fashionable and always dressed kind of classic traditional so the various sizes I have are not more out than in fashion. Except for colors. > That may or may not happen. Don’t know that weight loss causes wrinkles but > it sure can cause loose skin!
Ever seen loose skin that didn’t wrinkle? I haven’t. Thanks for your input Julie. Carol
> Because of my thyroid problem I’ve had blood test every three months for > decades. Now that I’m also diabetic I’ve done’ the annual physical more > religiously (every 12 months rather than sometimes 16 or whatever). This > summer I had a rather odd one. We did so much lab work in early June > that my annual physical was just kind of shortened at the end of August. > But somehow in those 7 weeks something changed in my thyroid hormones. > My doctor chose to switch me from levothroid which I’ve been using for > at least 15 years to levoxyl. I haven’t lost any weight, but within 7 > days of this change I started losing my body.Everything is melting away > except my breasts.
Interesting! I was taking Synthroid and had been losing weight. Was losing just over 1/2 a pound a week. Was on a diet that was supposed to cause me to lose 1/2 a pound a week. During this time I also used Amaryl and Glucophage, but not at the same time. Began gaining weight while on the Glucophage. Had lost 26 pounds, then put 13 of them back on in a short period of time. Went off the Glucophage. Did diet and exercise alone. Didn’t gain any more, but didn’t lose either. Eventually went on Starlix and began to slowly lose weight. Like maybe 1/2 pound a month. Switched from Synthroid to Levoxyl. Why? My insurance would no longer cover the Synthroid. And oddly, the weight began coming off again at a much faster clip. Can’t say for sure if it is the Levoxyl doing it or not. Diet and exercise have not changed. Went to the Dr. two days ago and appear to have gained 4 pounds. This is a different Dr. though. So I am not worried about the weight difference because of variation in scales and also because of the time of the month. I know by the way my clothes are fitting and by my tape measure that I am smaller. > Every payday for the last 4 weeks I’ve had to go buy new pants for work > because we wear heavy phones on our waistbands and my pants are so loose > I’m constantly in danger of mooning customers.
I once lost my pants in the grocery store. Fell right off of me! Luckily I was wearing a long top so nobody saw my undies. So I know the feeling. > 5 weeks ago I was wearing a 2x top and 1x and 2x bottoms. I am now down > to 16 in pants, last week it was 16wp, and 18 in tops. My shape is still > pregnant body builder though. Yesterday in desperation I actually tried > shopping in the maternity section at Penney’s. And I fit size 12 in > maternity bottoms. The ones I tried were without panel. They were itchy > though so I didn’t buy them.
I can relate to the pregnant body builder thing. Ever since I had the baby, I have retained that shape. Not flattering, but can’t seem to do anything about it. At least my boobs have deflated so I can wear a normal sized bra now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So has anybody else experienced anything like this? > Meanwhile as part of my annual checkup I saw my dietician. Actually a > new dietician at the other hospital. Got an A+ on diet management and > good information on how to eat which my mouth is healing without > depending on carbs. She also suggested that even though I am doing > beautifully on diet only that she would like to see me on glucophage > because of high triglyceride. > However when I discussed this with my doctor, she was thrilled my > triglycerides have dropped so well. So she wants to wait another month > and think about this. She also said that recent studies showed that > glucophage doesn’t preserve beta cells as well as some new drug I can’t > remember and that if I go on meds prophylactically to protect the beta > cells she’d prescribe the new one.
Hmmm… My Dr. had put me on Glucophage not because I needed it for BG control but because he thought it would cause me to lose weight. In my case, it seemed to do the opposite. I should also add that my thyroid has been wacky and at times it has been running high due to overmedication. <snip> > I remember seeing lots of posts of newer diabetics who have dropped mega > weight. I never connected it to being on meds or not. I lost exactly > one pound my first month as a diabetic but even with excellent control > 99% of the time I have lost no weight. When I went back to work at a > very physical job after 2 years at home I did regain better muscle tone > in my legs, thighs and buttocks, but didn’t change size.
I think it’s more a matter of changing eating habits. My eating habits really didn’t change all that much except that I am eating slightly less calories and less carbs than before. > Should I agree to meds even with excellent diet control if my doctor > suggests it, will this likely mean I’ll lose weight and more sizes? > Wondering what others might have experienced.
If you are not having frequent hypos and your numbers are good, then I’d say stick with what you are doing now. > I would love to be smaller. But thats been unattainable for 40 years. I > have accepted myself as is. I love the clothes I wear now. I’m not > really rich enough to buy a new wardrobe every month even if its two > working outfits and new underwaer.
I know the feeling. In my case, I kept clothes in various sizes. And that includes undies. So I have things to wear. They just might not be the most fashionable. I have also discovered EBay. Have gotten some really nice things there for very little money. > And I know that large people who lose a lot wrinkle up and age decades. > So I need to psych up for that, cuz I’m very very much younger looking > than my age and it will be a real life changing thing to go from looking > like I’m in my 30’s to looking like the senior citizen I will be in 3 > months. Not a bad thing necessarily, but a life changing thing > nontheless.
That may or may not happen. Don’t know that weight loss causes wrinkles but it sure can cause loose skin! — Type 2 http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
Because of my thyroid problem I’ve had blood test every three months for decades. Now that I’m also diabetic I’ve done’ the annual physical more religiously (every 12 months rather than sometimes 16 or whatever). This summer I had a rather odd one. We did so much lab work in early June that my annual physical was just kind of shortened at the end of August. But somehow in those 7 weeks something changed in my thyroid hormones. My doctor chose to switch me from levothroid which I’ve been using for at least 15 years to levoxyl. I haven’t lost any weight, but within 7 days of this change I started losing my body.Everything is melting away except my breasts. Every payday for the last 4 weeks I’ve had to go buy new pants for work because we wear heavy phones on our waistbands and my pants are so loose I’m constantly in danger of mooning customers. 5 weeks ago I was wearing a 2x top and 1x and 2x bottoms. I am now down to 16 in pants, last week it was 16wp, and 18 in tops. My shape is still pregnant body builder though. Yesterday in desperation I actually tried shopping in the maternity section at Penney’s. And I fit size 12 in maternity bottoms. The ones I tried were without panel. They were itchy though so I didn’t buy them. So has anybody else experienced anything like this? Meanwhile as part of my annual checkup I saw my dietician. Actually a new dietician at the other hospital. Got an A+ on diet management and good information on how to eat which my mouth is healing without depending on carbs. She also suggested that even though I am doing beautifully on diet only that she would like to see me on glucophage because of high triglyceride. However when I discussed this with my doctor, she was thrilled my triglycerides have dropped so well. So she wants to wait another month and think about this. She also said that recent studies showed that glucophage doesn’t preserve beta cells as well as some new drug I can’t remember and that if I go on meds prophylactically to protect the beta cells she’d prescribe the new one. I haven’t paid attention to any threads about meds after about 2 months on the ng because I don’t use them. So I’m wondering is anybody else using them prescribed prophylactically? And second to that. I have a co-worker who moved out of state last January and just returned while her DH is stationed in the Middle East. She was prescribed glucophage to regulate her menstrual cycles. She says she is "insulin resistent but not diabetic". She was a 4X and is now a 2X. She says she has lost 55 pounds in 6 months without changingh her diet. I remember seeing lots of posts of newer diabetics who have dropped mega weight. I never connected it to being on meds or not. I lost exactly one pound my first month as a diabetic but even with excellent control 99% of the time I have lost no weight. When I went back to work at a very physical job after 2 years at home I did regain better muscle tone in my legs, thighs and buttocks, but didn’t change size. Should I agree to meds even with excellent diet control if my doctor suggests it, will this likely mean I’ll lose weight and more sizes? Wondering what others might have experienced. I would love to be smaller. But thats been unattainable for 40 years. I have accepted myself as is. I love the clothes I wear now. I’m not really rich enough to buy a new wardrobe every month even if its two working outfits and new underwaer. And I know that large people who lose a lot wrinkle up and age decades. So I need to psych up for that, cuz I’m very very much younger looking than my age and it will be a real life changing thing to go from looking like I’m in my 30’s to looking like the senior citizen I will be in 3 months. Not a bad thing necessarily, but a life changing thing nontheless. Carol