dizzy!!! lol… I’ll save y’all a place in line when I find it..heehee…Marsha
>>Are you still cookin’ for AI? >Sure am. Got any good recipes?
Hi Char! I’ve been using my crockpot a lot more often these days. It sure helps, when I come home so tired and achy, to not have to deal with cooking supper. I’ve got a crockpot enchilada casserole recipe- want it? Have a great week! Marsha
Hi again Marsha! I’m not back to work yet…one more week. I’m doing well, especially the last couple of days have been good. I’m so glad you’re going to hang around more! I’ve come here on and off for awhile, but lately I’ve been hanging around more often. It kinda gets addictive! Take care! Carol
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s so nice to hear from you, too!! I hope you are recovering from the > surgery well..Are you back at work yet? I hope you are painfree and doing > well! I will start hanging around more…I was afraid I’d come back and no one > would know me..lol.. Take good care! Marsha
Hi Marsha!!! Of course we remember you!!! Good to see you back with us!!! Really glad to hear you have found an RD that you like and that is working hard for you. That is sooooo important. So, did she rule the lupus out? Hope so! Take care and again, welcome back!!! Donna G
>Mama Char says
I thought I said it was over Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together." Red Green
>Are you still cookin’ for AI?
Sure am. Got any good recipes? >How >are you doing these days?
Well, there is still more joy in my life than sorrow and pain, so I guess I am hanging in. >I love your quote- We’re all in this together– It’s comforting, isn’t it?
We are, indeed. And the sharing is what makes it all bearable. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together." Red Green
opps. quack >Mama Char says > I thought I said it was over > Char > "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. > We’re all in this together." Red Green
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>>t does feel kinda like I’m coming home- >You are Sugar. You are. >Char
are you doing these days? I hope you are well. I love your quote- We’re all in this together– It’s comforting, isn’t it? Lots of hugs, Marsha
Hi Marsha, welcome home. Hope you have not yet reached that three disease limit. Mama Char says Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->about the lupus. >I feel for you teaching 8th grade. My DH taught 7th grade for a bit the year >before we married. He said the one advantage of it was that he realized his >7th grade daughter wsan’t nearly as spacy as some of her contemporaries! > Lol, Nann! > Actually, the kids are pretty good- Having teens myself has really helped > me to teach this age group. They know they won’t be able to pull too many > antics that I haven’t seen before..LOL.. I use humor to deal with most of the > discipline and keep them really busy, so it’s a pretty easy-going classroom > most of the time. I am ready for summer break, though.. > I hope my rd doesn’t find lupus, too..I don’t need any more fun added to > my already long list..lol > Take care..Marsha
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It’s so nice to hear from you, too!! I hope you are recovering from the surgery well..Are you back at work yet? I hope you are painfree and doing well! I will start hanging around more…I was afraid I’d come back and no one would know me..lol.. Take good care! Marsha
>:-) It is a little more like home with Marsha in the house.
I’m glad you are doing well. I’m reading where Enbrel is really helping lots of folks..I hope it keeps that RA sleepin’! Good luck on your scope..not fun..but good idea.. Yep, those jrhi "raging hormones" keep us busy..lol..Take care! Marsha
>Is your year over at teh end of >May? We go until the end of June
Hi Rose! Yes, the year is flying by- I have a senior in high school this year, and the time is passing all too quickly..The last prom..graduation stuff…sigh..but he is ready! Yes, our year is over at the end of May. We start in the middle of August, so our summer is short, but it is so hot outside here in August that most folks are ready to stay inside the air-conditioned classrooms..lol Thanks for the info regarding the vasculitis..I don’t know what she’s found..She saw the rashes and immediately asked if I had been tested for lupus, but I think she’s just being careful to check everything out to get a clear diagnosis. I think treatment is about the same. Take care! Marsha
Thanks Patty! I hope you are doing well, too! Marsha
>about the lupus. >I feel for you teaching 8th grade. My DH taught 7th grade for a bit the year >before we married. He said the one advantage of it was that he realized his >7th grade daughter wsan’t nearly as spacy as some of her contemporaries!
Lol, Nann! Actually, the kids are pretty good- Having teens myself has really helped me to teach this age group. They know they won’t be able to pull too many antics that I haven’t seen before..LOL.. I use humor to deal with most of the discipline and keep them really busy, so it’s a pretty easy-going classroom most of the time. I am ready for summer break, though.. I hope my rd doesn’t find lupus, too..I don’t need any more fun added to my already long list..lol Take care..Marsha
>t does feel kinda like I’m coming home-
You are Sugar. You are. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together." Red Green
>Marsha, I too want to say hi to you. I wondered how you were doing. Don’t be >a >stranger, and I am so glad you finally have an RA that will help you. Take >care >Lady.
well. The weather here in south Texas is wonderful now…Wish we had everyone here for a Fiesta! Take care, and thanks for the note! Love ya, Marsha
>What is she doing to rule out/in lupus?
Hi, Melinda! She’s doing lots of bloodwork..Keeping up with CRP levels (I think that’s for inflamation of blood vessels?), as well as regular labs- CBC, liver and kidney tests, etc. She tells me that some people will get overlapping autoimmune symptoms that don’t "fit" into just one dx box…so I think I probably have the RA and Graves (autoimmuine hyperthyroidism) with secondary autoimmune symptoms, including the vasculitis? I need to ask her about all this when I see her next. I hope you are doing well- It’s good be back! I must be missing a Secret Sender round..lol…I’ll try to jump in next time 
Marsha
{{{{Melinda, Char, Harv, and Rose}}}} Thank y’all so much for the welcome. It made me feel so good to know y’all even remembered me! Update- I FINALLY found a rheumy that’s on my insurance list- She’s absolutely wonderful… After my first visit with her, I realized how little my internists knew about ra. She is very thorough, and she knew exactly what to look for, even though I wasn’t a happy camper when she dx’d vasculitis (that she thought might be indicative of lupus). I’m currently on pred (and always hoping to get off), mtx, and other stuff. She’s given my ankle injections that really helped me through a rough patch. I’m still teaching 8th graders- Well, I’m trying to teach 8th graders..heehee…you know, they know everything when they get to 8th grade! I hope you all are doing well. It does feel kinda like I’m coming home- Thanks! Lotsa hugs, Marsha
>re doing well. It does feel kinda like I’m coming home- Thanks! >Lotsa hugs, Marsh
Marsha, I too want to say hi to you. I wondered how you were doing. Don’t be a stranger, and I am so glad you finally have an RA that will help you. Take care Lady. Donna
Great news on finding the Doc, Marsha. What is she doing to rule out/in lupus? Praying it’s just RA. It would be grat to have you post more often Melinda
Thanks for the update Marsha. There is rheumatoid vasculitis as well as what is normally associated with lupus. It seems as though a few of us are going through vein problems. Glad to hear you are still "working with" those 8th graders. The school year is going by sooo quickly. Is your year over at teh end of May? We go until the end of June, but even so, that is just three years and a bit. Rose
Wonderful news about the RD Marsha and i hope she is wrong about the lupus. I feel for you teaching 8th grade. My DH taught 7th grade for a bit the year before we married. He said the one advantage of it was that he realized his 7th grade daughter wsan’t nearly as spacy as some of her contemporaries! — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me I like nonsense; it wakes up the brain cells. – Dr Suess
Hi Marsha!!! It’s so nice to hear about what’s going on with you! I’m glad to hear you’ve found an RD. I hope you start hanging around here! Hugs, Carol
It is a little more like home with Marsha in the house. LOL As for myself, doing fine. Just got through most of having a physical none. Still have the lower scope to do. Taking Enbrel now for my RA which is semi,,,,,asleep. After over 20 years, its good when it takes a nap. Oh my, 8th graders….. LOLOL That will keep you young or kill ya. LOLOL Harv
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> {{{{Melinda, Char, Harv, and Rose}}}} > Thank y’all so much for the welcome. It made me feel so good to know y’all > even remembered me! Update- I FINALLY found a rheumy that’s on my insurance > list- She’s absolutely wonderful… After my first visit with her, I realized > how little my internists knew about ra. She is very thorough, and she knew > exactly what to look for, even though I wasn’t a happy camper when she dx’d > vasculitis (that she thought might be indicative of lupus). I’m currently on > pred (and always hoping to get off), mtx, and other stuff. She’s given my > ankle injections that really helped me through a rough patch. I’m still > teaching 8th graders- Well, I’m trying to teach 8th graders..heehee…you know, > they know everything when they get to 8th grade! > I hope you all are doing well. It does feel kinda like I’m coming home- Thanks! > Lotsa hugs, Marsha
Welcome back Marsha! Sounds like you found a good RD. So glad for you! Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty
Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list with off topic stuff…thank you very much. Shannon
This post not CC’d by email >Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find >anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list >with off topic stuff…thank you very much. >Shannon
G’day G’day, Cholesterol and other blood lipids is very much ON topic in this group. One of the effects of high blood sugar is lower the good cholesterol HDL and raise the triglycerides. Within a certain range the ratio of triglycerides to HDL is a good measure of insulin resistance. In this group the T2s do everything they can to reduce insulin resistance. This is one way they can assess the total effect of exercise, losing weight, changing diet, oral meds. Someone will be delighted to look up the guideline values for blood lipids. The latest thinking appears to be that T2 diabetics should adopt the same tight guidelines as those who have already had a cardiac event. At the moment I need to go an eat my evening meal. Best wishes, — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
> Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find > anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list > with off topic stuff…thank you very much.
This is not off topic because it is a problem that many type 2’s battle. AFAIK, my cholesterol was fine until recently. My triglycerides where high. But my overall cholesterol was fine. I have a thyroid problem and was being overmedicated for that. That has been fixed. And I am also now on Glucophage XR. That particular med can help with cholesterol. So can bringing down BG and exercise. My last blood test showed my triglycerides being fine and my overall cholesterol at 207. My GP said <200 is ideal. Mine was high, but not high enough for concern. At least not yet. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
This post not CC’d by email >Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find >anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list >with off topic stuff…thank you very much. >Shannon
G’day G’day Shannon, Here are some figures from the book "50 Ways to Lower Your Cholesterol" by Mary P McGowan, M.D. and Jo McGowan Chopra Contemporary Books 2002. isbn 0-7373-0556-8 I am quoting the tighter ranges for coronary artery disease first because in the new thinking on the matter these are the ones that T2 diabetics should be following. The figures in this book use USA units of mg/dl Total cholesterol, less than 150 mg/dl Triglycerides, less than 100 mg/dl LDL cholesterol, less than 100 mg/dl, ideally less than 80 mg/dl HDL cholesterol, MORE than 45 mg/dl. Sometimes the figures quoted for men and women differ for HDL with women having higher levels. For people who are not diabetic and haven’t had any coronary events the less tight guidelines are, Total cholesterol, less than 200 mg/dl Triglycerides, less than 150 mg/dl LDL cholesterol, less than 130 mg/dl, ideally less than 80 mg/dl HDL cholesterol, MORE than 45 mg/dl. Hope this helps. — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
> Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find > anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list > with off topic stuff…thank you very much. > Shannon
My recent blood tests gave the following goals for diabetics: Trig: < 2.00 HDL: > 1.00 LDL: < 2.00 These are Canadian measurements.
This post not CC’d by email > Anyone know ANYTHING about it and the numbers? Or where I can find > anything out? If so please email me offlist so I dont clog this list > with off topic stuff…thank you very much. > Shannon >My recent blood tests gave the following goals for diabetics: >Trig: < 2.00 >HDL: > 1.00 >LDL: < 2.00 >These are Canadian measurements.
Those figures should also apply in NZ and other countries that use mmol/L units. The HDL greater than 1.0 certainly does. That is the one I personally struggle with though I am always close or just making it. — Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / / "… and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin
These are the numbers my docs assistant left on my machine…I did see my doc and she put me on meds for the LDL number…ok here goes Lipid 187 Trigly 123 HGL 30 LDL 132.4 VLDL 24.6 Chlosterol HDL ratio 6.2 I have no clue what any of these numbers mean..I do not know where I am high..how I am…where I need to be..am I close to having a heart attack…my doc just said my LDL was a bit sketchy and wrote me a prescription and said keep on doing what I am doing to keep my BGLs down and see her in a month…TIA everyone…. Shannon
Hi, Most labs vary in their findings but here is a general ideal of what your numbers mean. This link will help I hope. But it is also better to ask your doctor. http://www.heartsavers.org/lipid_profile.htm Diana
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> These are the numbers my docs assistant left on my machine…I did see > my doc and she put me on meds for the LDL number…ok here goes > Lipid 187 > Trigly 123 > HGL 30 > LDL 132.4 > VLDL 24.6 > Chlosterol HDL ratio 6.2 > I have no clue what any of these numbers mean..I do not know where I am > high..how I am…where I need to be..am I close to having a heart > attack…my doc just said my LDL was a bit sketchy and wrote me a > prescription and said keep on doing what I am doing to keep my BGLs down > and see her in a month…TIA everyone…. > Shannon
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > These are the numbers my docs assistant left on my machine…I did see > my doc and she put me on meds for the LDL number…ok here goes > Lipid 187 > Trigly 123 > HGL 30 > LDL 132.4 > VLDL 24.6 > Chlosterol HDL ratio 6.2 > I have no clue what any of these numbers mean..I do not know where I am > high..how I am…where I need to be..am I close to having a heart > attack…my doc just said my LDL was a bit sketchy and wrote me a > prescription and said keep on doing what I am doing to keep my BGLs down > and see her in a month…TIA everyone…. > Shannon
A good place to look: http://ww2.heartandstroke.ca/Page.asp?PageID=24 , I’m sure there is an American equivalent… to get to mmol/L divide your numbers by 38.7
> Hi, > Most labs vary in their findings but here is a general ideal of what your > numbers mean. This link will help I hope. But it is also better to ask your > doctor. > http://www.heartsavers.org/lipid_profile.htm
This is nice…Thanks Diana — Best wishes Louise Type 2, controlling by diet and exercise
I might be mistaken but I think Canola contains TFAs (trans fatty acids). Here in Canada, they’ve decreed that any packaged food must show the levels of TFAs and other bad things. TFAs have been identified as a pretty serious health risk. Most margarines contain these things. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
> I might be mistaken but I think Canola contains TFAs (trans fatty acids). > Here in Canada, they’ve decreed that any packaged food must show the levels > of TFAs and other bad things. TFAs have been identified as a pretty serious > health risk. Most margarines contain these things. > Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Hydrogenated oils contain higher levels of TFAs, Canola oil is fine in this regard, it’s unsaturated and unhydrogenated. Also soft margarines such as Becel are unhydrogenated and therefore TFAs are not a big concern.
I forgot who posted on Canola oil, but I got REALcurious about it and reasearched it on the web. So I am just posting this as an FYI follow upon what I learned since I was so alarmed to hear how bad for you canola was purported to be. From what I found from about.com, http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcanola.htm?terms=canola+rape+… It is a fallacy that canola oil is especially bad for you (any more so than any oil), according to this source. It states that it is an urban legend not based in fact. If others want to comment on this, I would be curious to hear it, but I would especially want to hear about the source now.
Hello Susan, Try http://www.snopes2.com/toxins/canola.htm for the same rumor with some explanations attached. http://www.tafkac.org/ulz/canola.html has similar information and a few links a the bottom including the one you mentioned. I like snopes web site for checking out rumors since they give you one page with the legend and any explanation. >I forgot who posted on Canola oil, but I got REALcurious about it and >reasearched it on the web. So I am just posting this as an FYI follow upon >what I learned since I was so alarmed to hear how bad for you canola was >purported to be. >From what I found from about.com, >http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcanola.htm?terms=canola+rape+… >It is a fallacy that canola oil is especially bad for you (any more so than >any oil), according to this source. It states that it is an urban legend not >based in fact. >If others want to comment on this, I would be curious to hear it, but I >would especially want to hear about the source now.
– Luke The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese
Actually canola oil is an excellent source of omega-3 oils. Other good sources are nut oils such as walnut and avocado, Puritan oil and flaxseed oil. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I forgot who posted on Canola oil, but I got REALcurious about it and >reasearched it on the web. So I am just posting this as an FYI follow upon >what I learned since I was so alarmed to hear how bad for you canola was >purported to be. >From what I found from about.com, >http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blcanola.htm?terms=canola+rape+… >It is a fallacy that canola oil is especially bad for you (any more so than >any oil), according to this source. It states that it is an urban legend not >based in fact. >If others want to comment on this, I would be curious to hear it, but I >would especially want to hear about the source now.
> Not happy with that lot they continued to tamper with it and > produced a variety that was "roundup" tolerant. Of course "roundup" is also > produced by Monsanto. > wrong again. you are confusing sugar beets with canola. The roundup > resistant beets were for ireland, not canada.
While the post was mostly bullshit, Monsanto has developed round-up ready canola. — Kirk Kolas Ontario Veterinary College Class of 2002 — Curriculum Vitae: http://www.uoguelph.ca/~kkolas/cv.html A Closer Look at Hulda Clark: http://www.uoguelph.ca/~kkolas/
> Hi, > Canola comes from Rapeseed and was genetically engineered by the famous > "Monsanto".
Wrong…It was developed by a university in canada. Not happy with that lot they continued to tamper with it and > produced a variety that was "roundup" tolerant. Of course "roundup" is also > produced by Monsanto.
wrong again. you are confusing sugar beets with canola. The roundup resistant beets were for ireland, not canada. > Well two weeks ago or thereabouts they had to recall 60,000 sacks of the > seed in Canada as it was found that they had produced a rogue protein in the > crop which was most unsuitable for human consumption. Well we all know that > Monsanto being an excellent corporate citizen, did the right thing. > However the seed they produced also was introduced to the environment by > natural things like BEES. Hmmm , hope they recalled all the Bees as well. > So what we have here is a useless product that is now pesticide resistant > growing uncontrollably in the Canadian Wilds.!!!
more pure BS. > Well done Monsanto or is it Pharmacia or Pfizer, hard to tell these days > but they have their representative on the FDA so we should all feel safe.. > Guess what they also got away with it in Australia and got their > representative on the pharmaceutical Board. > Another coup for free enterprise and the current Liberal Government. Not > feeling well? then continue to eat their products and take their medications > all with support of the Government that you elect.
more scare tatics and a political agenda as well. Nice try, but mostly fiction. rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kind regards Rod S, >> It is a meaningless argument that canola oil comes from a genetically >> engineered plant. None of the proteins or DNA is present in the oil, >> hence no problem. > I ggree with this point, but that’s not all there is to it. > What is being sold as "Canola oil" is actually Rapeseed oil, whether > GM or not. Rapeseed has been known to be less than wholesome. > — > -john > "The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining" > - JFK > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
LOL! Good one! :-) apparently write: >rapeseed oil comes from rapeseed. Corn oil comes from corn. Soybean oil comes >from soybeans. Canola oil comes from Canada.
– -john
Hi, Canola comes from Rapeseed and was genetically engineered by the famous "Monsanto". Not happy with that lot they continued to tamper with it and produced a variety that was "roundup" tolerant. Of course "roundup" is also produced by Monsanto. Well two weeks ago or thereabouts they had to recall 60,000 sacks of the seed in Canada as it was found that they had produced a rogue protein in the crop which was most unsuitable for human consumption. Well we all know that Monsanto being an excellent corporate citizen, did the right thing. However the seed they produced also was introduced to the environment by natural things like BEES. Hmmm , hope they recalled all the Bees as well. So what we have here is a useless product that is now pesticide resistant growing uncontrollably in the Canadian Wilds.!!! Well done Monsanto or is it Pharmacia or Pfizer, hard to tell these days but they have their representative on the FDA so we should all feel safe.. Guess what they also got away with it in Australia and got their representative on the pharmaceutical Board. Another coup for free enterprise and the current Liberal Government. Not feeling well? then continue to eat their products and take their medications all with support of the Government that you elect. Kind regards Rod S,
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It is a meaningless argument that canola oil comes from a genetically >engineered plant. None of the proteins or DNA is present in the oil, >hence no problem. > I ggree with this point, but that’s not all there is to it. > What is being sold as "Canola oil" is actually Rapeseed oil, whether > GM or not. Rapeseed has been known to be less than wholesome. > — > -john > "The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining" > - JFK
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>Canola seed is not rapeseed.
Oh, yeah? http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~ohioline/b472/canola.html >Oil from rapeseed is poisonous.
I certainly is. >Oil from canola seed is not. There is no such thing as canola seed.
"Canola" is genetically modified rape. — -john "Always listen to experts. They’ll tell you what can’t be done and why. Then do it." - Robert Heinlein
>It is a meaningless argument that canola oil comes from a genetically >engineered plant. None of the proteins or DNA is present in the oil, >hence no problem.
I ggree with this point, but that’s not all there is to it. What is being sold as "Canola oil" is actually Rapeseed oil, whether GM or not. Rapeseed has been known to be less than wholesome. — -john "The time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining" - JFK
>There is no such thing as a canola. Canola oil is rapeseed oil,
IMHO, the reason it was renamed, was to lessen it’s potential for confusion with grapeseed oil. But then again, I am merely speculating … :-O — -john
Canola seed is not rapeseed. Oil from rapeseed is poisonous. Oil from canola seed is not. rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There is no such thing as a canola. Canola oil is rapeseed oil, > IMHO, the reason it was renamed, was to lessen it’s potential for > confusion with grapeseed oil. > But then again, I am merely speculating … :-O
> > FYI: Canola Oil. I hope none of you are using this oil, it is deadly! > Here is the truth. The original posting is urban legend.
Thanks, Rich, for taking the time to post the Real Story on Canola oil. It IS amazing how such nonsense continues to spread, like an evil virus, thanks to the Internet. Yeh! Let’s give those Canadians some credit! Beside, rapeseed oil just doesn’t have "sales appeal". Somewhat off-topic (but I think this one is done, eh?)—–anyone know the history of how someone figured out that if one takes the fruit of the coffee tree, dries and roasts it, grinds it up and pours very hot water over it, we get the most popular beverage (and, arguably, drug) in the world? –Larry — Larry Bickford, OD Doctor of Optometry, Family Practice Eye Health and Vision Care The EyeCare Connection http://www.EyeCareContacts.com Please note: Addresses are munged using the .invalid protocol to reduce spam. Help fight spam! Report spam to SpamCop http://www.spamcop.net
> FYI: Canola Oil. I hope none of you are using this oil, it is deadly!
Here is the truth. The original posting is urban legend. Peanut oil comes from peanuts; olive oil comes from olives. But what on Earth is a canola? There is no such thing as a canola. Canola oil is rapeseed oil, pressed or extracted from the seeds of the rape plant (from the Latin rapa, meaning turnip) Brassica rapa or B. campestris, close relatives of mustard, kale, cabbage and broccoli. Mustard? Yes, but there is no truth to the hysterical claim made in the e-mail rave that rapeseed is the source of mustard gas, the flesh-burning chemical weapon used by the Germans in World War I; it is chemically unrelated. The grain of truth behind the whole anti-canola crusade is that historically, rapeseed oil has proven to be toxic because of a high content — between 30 and 60 percent — of erucic acid, a monounsaturated fatty acid. That has never stopped people in Asia and Scandinavia, however, from using it in their cooking for centuries. But while rapeseed oil has many industrial uses, it was not permitted as an edible oil in the U.S. because of its erucic acid content. In 1974, plant breeders at the University of Manitoba in Canada succeeded in developing a genetically modified rape plant whose seed oil contained less than 2 percent of erucic acid. They nationalistically named it canola: can- for "Canadian" plus -ola, for "oil." This euphemism was approved for edible rapeseed oil by the Food and Drug Administration in 1989, provided that the erucic acid content did not exceed 2 percent. Today’s canola oil averages 0.6 percent erucic acid, only 1 percent or 2 percent of the amount in the rapeseed oil of old. It is valued for its fatty acid profile, which is 59 percent monounsaturated, 30 percent polyunsaturated and 7 percent saturated. This compares favorably with Health Champ olive oil’s profile: 74 percent monounsaturated, 8 percent polyunsaturated and 14 percent saturated. Apparently, some people find it hard to understand that if the erucic acid has been bred out of the plant, the acid’s toxicity can no longer be ascribed to the oil. This is not the only case of a dangerous substance having to be removed from a food to make it safe. Before cashew nuts are roasted, for example, they contain a substance that would burn your skin off. And cassava, a staple of the Central and South American diet, is full of hydrogen cyanide before it is soaked or heated. Shakespeare to the contrary notwithstanding, the sins of the fathers are not to be laid upon the children. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/style/food/A31594-2001Feb6.html And the next article exposes the legend as well… Origins: What we have here is a bit of truth about a product’s family history worked into a hysterical screed against the product itself. There is no earthly reason to give any credence to this rumor — Canola oil is not the horrifying product this widely-disseminated e-mail makes it out to be, nor has the FDA turned loose on the American public a health scourge worthy of being named one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. An appreciation of what this scare is based upon begins with a better understanding of what canola oil and how it came into being. The rape plant (Brassica napus) is a member of the mustard family, as claimed in the e-mail. However, before associations between rape and mustard gas set in too strongly, it should be noted turnip, cabbage, watercress, horseradish, and radish are also members of this family of plants. Rapeseed oil has been used for cooking for centuries in Europe, India, China, and Japan. As modern science is finding out, its previous use wasn’t necessarily a guarantee of safety. Cooking at high temperatures with unrefined rapeseed oil now appears to be related to an increased risk of lung cancer because at high temperatures cooking oil gives off chemicals capable of causing mutations in cells. Unrefined rapeseed oil is particularly notable for this, but other oils also have this association. Those intent upon doing large amounts of wok cooking with any sort of cooking oil should therefore lower their frying temperature from the 240
>t ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about >120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber
See – Ted can be VERY informative and useful and helpful. If he leaves the language clean, we read him. I was interested in tempeh until I read the carb count; got much better tasting alternatives, like meat and milk. Nan, Type 2, 1990
> I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not > a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound.
Even cheaper if you make it yourself. All info on making tempeh can be found here: http://www.tempeh.info
is soy bad for thyroid ? idg.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <snip> > . Remember it is a soy > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > Not good if you have a thyroid problem! > — > Type 2 > http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ > Julie Bove, posting from new account
> <snip> > . Remember it is a soy > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > Not good if you have a thyroid problem!
I have never seen any evidence that this is true. Not even in places that have goiters have problem with soy.
> <snip> > . Remember it is a soy > > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > Not good if you have a thyroid problem! > I have never seen any evidence that this is true. Not even in places > that have goiters have problem with soy.
Maybe that’s because you haven’t looked. There is a blurb about it every few months in most of the magazines I read. And I read several different ones each month. Just do a search on thyroid and soy and you’ll get a ton of hits! It’s the phyto-estrogens that cause the problem. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
> >t ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about >120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber > See – Ted can be VERY informative and useful and helpful. If he leaves the > language clean, we read him. > I was interested in tempeh until I read the carb count; got much better tasting > alternatives, like meat and milk. > Nan, Type 2, 1990
Your count seems to be too high. My Tempeh is 10 carb for 6 oz. It has no meat factors in it and no meat problems associated with it. It takes only 3 oz. to make a drink and usually 3-4 oz for a meal such as found in Tempeh and Tofu scramble for breakfast. You can roll Tempeh out and fry it crisp to use as a toast sub. This is a most wonderful good all around cooking product. It is very good when sauted with shitake mushrooms, sesame seeds and oil, and Asian vegies of choice. It completely replaces meat. It is wonderful when used in soy milk for your morning drink.
Google "good" carbs 109000 hits I have a list on my wall of good and bad carbs came from my doctor actually.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> cc’d by email > Earth to Kifira > There are no such thing as "good carbs" AND who CARES if it "has no > cholesterol" > Tobacco, Canabis and Cocaine have also been used for thousands of years > (and THEY don’t have ANY carbs)- maybe we should switch to THEM. – or > Betel nut, or CUT, or…. Or bloodletting and leeches > Ted…are you making a comparison between Tempeh and Tobacco, Canabis, > Cocaine, Betel nut, bloodletting and leeches? Are you sure your blood > sugar is under control? I am serious Ted! > I don’t believe what I read. My goodness! I have never met a diabetic > like you. > Never in my present life, and certainly never in my future life too. > Cheer up man! There is more to life other than this newsgroup. > I notice that it is HARD to get specifics on the stuff > it ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about > 120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber > or fat. SOME sources give 1/2 cup as the serving size, but not most. > It is NO better for diabetics than any of a zillion similar foods. If > you are a vegan, it is a good source of protein.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > TEMPEH is a soy product and as such is used by nearly every vegan > > in the world as a protein substitute. It is a wonderful product and > > is several thousand years in use. > > I have used it many times mixed with goat milk and fruit in what > > would be called a smoothie for meal substitute. > > I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not > > a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound. That > > seems to be much less expensive that any other meat analogs or meat. > > It can be found in any regular grocery store in the cheese/organic > > foods section. > > I hope you give it a try if not in a drink as a meat replacement. > > IT has no cholesterol and only good carbs. Remember it is a soy > > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > > Kefira > > 28 January 2003
TEMPEH is a soy product and as such is used by nearly every vegan in the world as a protein substitute. It is a wonderful product and is several thousand years in use. I have used it many times mixed with goat milk and fruit in what would be called a smoothie for meal substitute. I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound. That seems to be much less expensive that any other meat analogs or meat. It can be found in any regular grocery store in the cheese/organic foods section. I hope you give it a try if not in a drink as a meat replacement. IT has no cholesterol and only good carbs. Remember it is a soy product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are a wonderful snack..Adamame. Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. Kefira 28 January 2003
actualy I found out it does have a fair amount of fat NO, I am not comparing soy to tobacco, but, when people use the lame excuse "it is natural" or "it has been used for thousands of years" it simply means that the stuff is as good for you as other natural substances which have been used for thousands of years – like tobacco. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->cc’d by email >Earth to Kifira >There are no such thing as "good carbs" AND who CARES if it "has no >cholesterol" >Tobacco, Canabis and Cocaine have also been used for thousands of years >(and THEY don’t have ANY carbs)- maybe we should switch to THEM. – or >Betel nut, or CUT, or…. Or bloodletting and leeches > Ted…are you making a comparison between Tempeh and Tobacco, Canabis, > Cocaine, Betel nut, bloodletting and leeches? Are you sure your blood > sugar is under control? I am serious Ted! > I don’t believe what I read. My goodness! I have never met a diabetic > like you. > Never in my present life, and certainly never in my future life too. > Cheer up man! There is more to life other than this newsgroup. >I notice that it is HARD to get specifics on the stuff >it ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about >120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber >or fat. SOME sources give 1/2 cup as the serving size, but not most. >It is NO better for diabetics than any of a zillion similar foods. If >you are a vegan, it is a good source of protein. >> TEMPEH is a soy product and as such is used by nearly every vegan >>in the world as a protein substitute. It is a wonderful product and >>is several thousand years in use. >> I have used it many times mixed with goat milk and fruit in what >>would be called a smoothie for meal substitute. >> I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not >>a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound. That >>seems to be much less expensive that any other meat analogs or meat. >>It can be found in any regular grocery store in the cheese/organic >>foods section. >> I hope you give it a try if not in a drink as a meat replacement. >>IT has no cholesterol and only good carbs. Remember it is a soy >>product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are >>a wonderful snack..Adamame. >>Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. >> Kefira >> 28 January 2003
<snip> . Remember it is a soy > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you.
Not good if you have a thyroid problem! — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
> cc’d by email > Earth to Kifira > There are no such thing as "good carbs" AND who CARES if it "has no > cholesterol" > Tobacco, Canabis and Cocaine have also been used for thousands of years > (and THEY don’t have ANY carbs)- maybe we should switch to THEM. – or > Betel nut, or CUT, or…. Or bloodletting and leeches
Ted…are you making a comparison between Tempeh and Tobacco, Canabis, Cocaine, Betel nut, bloodletting and leeches? Are you sure your blood sugar is under control? I am serious Ted! I don’t believe what I read. My goodness! I have never met a diabetic like you. Never in my present life, and certainly never in my future life too. Cheer up man! There is more to life other than this newsgroup. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I notice that it is HARD to get specifics on the stuff > it ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about > 120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber > or fat. SOME sources give 1/2 cup as the serving size, but not most. > It is NO better for diabetics than any of a zillion similar foods. If > you are a vegan, it is a good source of protein. > TEMPEH is a soy product and as such is used by nearly every vegan > in the world as a protein substitute. It is a wonderful product and > is several thousand years in use. > I have used it many times mixed with goat milk and fruit in what > would be called a smoothie for meal substitute. > I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not > a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound. That > seems to be much less expensive that any other meat analogs or meat. > It can be found in any regular grocery store in the cheese/organic > foods section. > I hope you give it a try if not in a drink as a meat replacement. > IT has no cholesterol and only good carbs. Remember it is a soy > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > Kefira > 28 January 2003
cc’d by email Earth to Kifira There are no such thing as "good carbs" AND who CARES if it "has no cholesterol" Tobacco, Canabis and Cocaine have also been used for thousands of years (and THEY don’t have ANY carbs)- maybe we should switch to THEM. – or Betel nut, or CUT, or…. Or bloodletting and leeches I notice that it is HARD to get specifics on the stuff it ranges from 100-170 calories per 1/4 cup serving, averaging about 120, and seems to have about 14 g of carbs per 1/4 cup serving, no fiber or fat. SOME sources give 1/2 cup as the serving size, but not most. It is NO better for diabetics than any of a zillion similar foods. If you are a vegan, it is a good source of protein. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > TEMPEH is a soy product and as such is used by nearly every vegan > in the world as a protein substitute. It is a wonderful product and > is several thousand years in use. > I have used it many times mixed with goat milk and fruit in what > would be called a smoothie for meal substitute. > I use it as a meat replacement in just about any recipe. It is not > a drug and is very cheap as it sells for about $1.25 a pound. That > seems to be much less expensive that any other meat analogs or meat. > It can be found in any regular grocery store in the cheese/organic > foods section. > I hope you give it a try if not in a drink as a meat replacement. > IT has no cholesterol and only good carbs. Remember it is a soy > product. By the way just plain soy beans cooked lightly and salted are > a wonderful snack..Adamame. > Soy nuts are also a healty snack and good for you. > Kefira > 28 January 2003
> You lost weight when dosed with two potent anti-Insulin Resistance > meds. > You are gaining weight since the more potent of the two meds was > discontinued > Conclusion/S.W.A.G. (please remember what "G" stands for)
While reducing insulin resistance should decrease weight, Actos and the other -glitizone drugs are well known for causing weight gain anyway. E
> I was diagnosed T2 about 15 months ago, and have done very well dealing > with it, having reduced my A1c from 14.2 to 5.1 in less than one year. I > lost a great deal of weight, of course, down to a svelte 178 from a high > of 250+. My Doc took me off the Actos some time ago, but kept me on 1 > gram of Glucophage XR daily. Now my question: in the last few weeks, I > seem to be putting on some poundage that I can’t explain. I am strict > doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the > reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) > So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
Good advice, as usual. Special Thanx to Oldal and Loretta, as usual. Perhaps time to start paying extra attention to those extra carbs and cals that creep in due to over confidence. We all know, those extra slices of bread or cheese that we really shouldn’t have, etc..
I dont believe it is the glucophage XR I am on it and have lost over forty pounds, it is not supposed to cause weight gain, Could it be you are living in a cold climate and therefore not as active as usual. Also 2000 calories is supposed to maintain weight but perhaps you really need only 1800. Of course this is my opinon, Either increase activity or decrease calories. Loretta In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
> I don’t know if this will help, but I was taking various oils as > supplements, (fish oil etc), and found that they were causing > weight gain. One does have to allow for the calories in these oils. > It’s easy to over look them, by only thinking of them as > supplements. Once I adjusted my diet accordingly, the weight gain > ceased. > Just one possibilty.
Interesting! I have often wondered about that. Currently, I take EPO, Flaxseed Oil, Fish Oil, vitamin E, and other non-oily supplements. At one point, I was also taking CLA, Lecithin and Creatine. The Creatine was to be taken with each meal and it seemed to be somewhat high in calories for its size. I think this was about the time period where my weight loss stopped. That could have been a factor. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
>I was diagnosed T2 about 15 months ago, and have done very well dealing >with it, having reduced my A1c from 14.2 to 5.1 in less than one year. I >lost a great deal of weight, of course, down to a svelte 178 from a high >of 250+. My Doc took me off the Actos some time ago, but kept me on 1 >gram of Glucophage XR daily. Now my question: in the last few weeks, I >seem to be putting on some poundage that I can’t explain. I am strict >doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the >reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) >So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
Glucophage has weight loss effects, not weight gain effects. Scientific Wild Eyed Guess (S.W.A.G.) Some folks with high Insulin Resistance gain weight very easily. It is one of the curses of high Insulin Resistance. You lost weight when dosed with two potent anti-Insulin Resistance meds. You are gaining weight since the more potent of the two meds was discontinued Conclusion/S.W.A.G. (please remember what "G" stands for) You are one of the **gainers**, and the increase in Insulin Resistance is making you gain. Some Action Plans: 1. How are your triglycerides? High triglycerides are a marker for Insulin Resistance. 2. Can you discuss running a fasting insulin and fasting blood sugar blood test combo with the doc? If the insulin level comes out much higher than normal, then you are still insulin resistant, and may need to go back on Actos. Remember: The primary T2 problem is Insulin Resistance, not blood sugar. You attack Insulin Resistance first, you handle blood sugar in your spare time. (You get rid of alligators by draining the swamp. It doesn’t seem that way when you are up to your waist in alligators, but that’s the way it is) Regards Old Al
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was diagnosed T2 about 15 months ago, and have done very well dealing > with it, having reduced my A1c from 14.2 to 5.1 in less than one year. I > lost a great deal of weight, of course, down to a svelte 178 from a high > of 250+. My Doc took me off the Actos some time ago, but kept me on 1 > gram of Glucophage XR daily. Now my question: in the last few weeks, I > seem to be putting on some poundage that I can’t explain. I am strict day. My > doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the > reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) > So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
I don’t know if this will help, but I was taking various oils as supplements, (fish oil etc), and found that they were causing weight gain. One does have to allow for the calories in these oils. It’s easy to over look them, by only thinking of them as supplements. Once I adjusted my diet accordingly, the weight gain ceased. Just one possibilty. Annette
> My > doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the > reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) > So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
No. ONe of the reasons Glucophage is so popular among docs for their fat patients is because it’s the only anti-diabetic drug that does *not* cause weight gain. Many diabetics, including myself, enjoy a small one time weight loss when starting the drug. As I recall, I lost 30 pounds, about the amount that Glucotrol had put on me. Losing weight shifts your metabolism. Your body becomes an energy conserver, so it becomes possible to maintain or even gain weight while eating less food. Unless you’ve increased your exercise level, this may be happening to you. E
> I was diagnosed T2 about 15 months ago, and have done very well dealing > with it, having reduced my A1c from 14.2 to 5.1 in less than one year. I > lost a great deal of weight, of course, down to a svelte 178 from a high > of 250+. My Doc took me off the Actos some time ago, but kept me on 1 > gram of Glucophage XR daily. Now my question: in the last few weeks, I > seem to be putting on some poundage that I can’t explain. I am strict > doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the > reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) > So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
If anything, it’s supposed to cause weight loss. Are you sure there isn’t some sort of swelling or a thyroid problem that could be causing the gain? — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
I was diagnosed T2 about 15 months ago, and have done very well dealing with it, having reduced my A1c from 14.2 to 5.1 in less than one year. I lost a great deal of weight, of course, down to a svelte 178 from a high of 250+. My Doc took me off the Actos some time ago, but kept me on 1 gram of Glucophage XR daily. Now my question: in the last few weeks, I seem to be putting on some poundage that I can’t explain. I am strict doc had warned me that Actos can cause weight gain, which was one of the reasons he took me off it. (That and the fact that I didn’t need it.) So, can Glucophage do the same thing?
thanks for all the loving thoughts re alana. yes, she has been seen by an endocrinologist, as well as a neurologist. the endocrinologist took her off her reglan to see if that might be raising her prolactin level, so of course, her gi symtoms are way bad. i don’t think there are any teaching hospitals near her. i am now in the awkward position of not wanting to badger her too much, because she is starting to resist a bit. and we all know what it’s like to be badgered to "try this/do that." i will proceed with caution. d
(((Diane))) 24/7 will continue…donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > thanks for all the loving thoughts re alana. yes, she has been seen by an > endocrinologist, as well as a neurologist. the endocrinologist took her off her > reglan to see if that might be raising her prolactin level, so of course, her > gi symtoms are way bad. i don’t think there are any teaching hospitals near > her. i am now in the awkward position of not wanting to badger her too much, > because she is starting to resist a bit. and we all know what it’s like to be > badgered to "try this/do that." i will proceed with caution. > d
Sometimes diseases will only be classified by the doctor once a set of symptoms reach a certain level. Until then he says "all OK". Truth is the difference between one disease and another, or having a disease and not, is often a blurred boundary of a few symptoms and levels. In the meantime, while you don’t have sufficient evidence to classify a name, the reality is – all is not well. Don’t wait till something is named to take action, and likewise don’t be satisfied that nothing is found or given a name, therefore all is well, for that could be a serious mistake. regards David
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> wow, Diane. thanks for sharing that. i will push harder for her to see a > rheumy, altho she has seen a neuro and the mri showed no lesions. at least not > yet. > and thanks for your prayers, all. > diane >I hate to tell you that’s how my symptoms started out down to the >high prolactin level that to this day has never been explained. They said >sometimes it can happen with the MS lesions in the right place and that’s >all they’ve said. Please encourage her to meet with both a good neuro and a >good rheumy. I will keep her in my thoughts and prayers. >– >Cyberhugs, >DianeW
Sending prayers for Alana…for strength and answers quickly! Hoping your hills are never too steep! Be well, Patty
I haven’t a clue. perhaps someone else will. If not, one suggestion I might make is see if you can get her to see some docs at a teaching hospital if there’s a decent one relatively nearby. Teaching hospitals have many specialties in one places who are accustomed to working with each other and it’s often the place to get to the bottom of a confusing illness. ((((Diane and stepdayghter))) — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me "To array a man’s will against his sickness is the supreme art of medicine." …Henry Ward Beecher
>i am also >nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy.
Keep nagging her Diane. She needs to get to the bottom of this, and a RD is the next logical step. (Or so it seems to me.) She may not be a child of your body, but she is obviously a child of your heart. I sure hope she gets some answers soon. Prayers coming her way. (You going to be able to make it to Iowa in July? Maybe? Maybe?) Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together." Red Green
Diane, we started a 24/7 prayer vigil for Alana..donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hi guys, > my son in law got my computer back in working order. hooray! but his wife, my > stepdaughter, is really worrying me. i swear, it’s as though she and i are > blood relatives. she has always reminded me of myself and now she is getting > symptoms that, IMO, point to an autoimmune disease, although there are none in > her family. please let me tap your collective wisdom to see if you have any > ideas what’s going on with her. > she is 28, an architect, who has had GI problems and UTI’s since she was a kid, > and off and on headaches for years. her headaches have changed in quality and > are pretty constant now. her blood work has all been normal except for an > elevated prolactin level. (normal is under 29, hers is 277). a pituitary tumor > was suspected, but has been ruled out (at least a large one has been ruled out) > by mri. most troubling is that she is now starting to ache all over, more > muscular than joint. her GP thinks it’s fibromyalgia, although that doesn’t > explain the prolactin issue. she is also battling nearly daily nausea now. she > also has what might be "fibro-fog" and is starting to have some trouble with > memory and stringing sentences together, although this would probably not be > noticeable to someone who doesn’t know her. it’s so hard to watch her going > down hill, as those of you with sick kids know. she lives a few hours from me, > so i only get to see her every month or so and the deterioration is marked. we > communicate a lot by phone and email, tho, because i can relate so well to the > "what the hell is happening to me?" feeling she’s enduring. > please send prayers and good vibes in Alana’s direction. i’ve encouraged her to > get on the fibro support group, but she is not interested in that. i am also > nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy. > diane, worried.
guess we are thinking along the same lines, Ari…you beat me to it..but it was my first reaction when I read Diane’s post…so many people scoff at the thyroid as being important including docs…donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I skimmed this post, so forgive me if you mentioned this, but why the > hell hasn’t she been to see an endocrinologist?????? > hi guys, > my son in law got my computer back in working order. hooray! but his wife, my > stepdaughter, is really worrying me. i swear, it’s as though she and i are > blood relatives. she has always reminded me of myself and now she is getting > symptoms that, IMO, point to an autoimmune disease, although there are none in > her family. please let me tap your collective wisdom to see if you have any > ideas what’s going on with her. > she is 28, an architect, who has had GI problems and UTI’s since she was a kid, > and off and on headaches for years. her headaches have changed in quality and > are pretty constant now. her blood work has all been normal except for an > elevated prolactin level. (normal is under 29, hers is 277). a pituitary tumor > was suspected, but has been ruled out (at least a large one has been ruled out) > by mri. most troubling is that she is now starting to ache all over, more > muscular than joint. her GP thinks it’s fibromyalgia, although that doesn’t > explain the prolactin issue. she is also battling nearly daily nausea now. she > also has what might be "fibro-fog" and is starting to have some trouble with > memory and stringing sentences together, although this would probably not be > noticeable to someone who doesn’t know her. it’s so hard to watch her going > down hill, as those of you with sick kids know. she lives a few hours from me, > so i only get to see her every month or so and the deterioration is marked. we > communicate a lot by phone and email, tho, because i can relate so well to the > "what the hell is happening to me?" feeling she’s enduring. > please send prayers and good vibes in Alana’s direction. i’ve encouraged her to > get on the fibro support group, but she is not interested in that. i am also > nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy. > diane, worried. > — > Are you registered as a bone marrow donor? You regenerate what you > donate. You are offered the chance to donate only if you match a person > on the recipient list. Call your local Red Cross and ask about > registering to be a bone marrow donor. > spam trap: replace shyah_right with hotmail when replying
wow, Diane. thanks for sharing that. i will push harder for her to see a rheumy, altho she has seen a neuro and the mri showed no lesions. at least not yet. and thanks for your prayers, all. diane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I hate to tell you that’s how my symptoms started out down to the >high prolactin level that to this day has never been explained. They said >sometimes it can happen with the MS lesions in the right place and that’s >all they’ve said. Please encourage her to meet with both a good neuro and a >good rheumy. I will keep her in my thoughts and prayers. >– >Cyberhugs, >DianeW
Diane, how was her thyroid level checked? Was it just part of a regular CBC…if so, she needs to see an endrocrinologist and do the whole blood work they specifically run…donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > thanks for that info, alex. no, she’s not pregnant. and her thyroid’s been > checked, but i will pass that info onto her anyway. interesting. > diane >Says that a Prolactin of 10 to 300 ng/ml may be a sign of pregnancy. >Is there a chance? >It also says that it could be an indicator of Hypothyroidism which is >often misdiagnosed as FMS because some of the symptoms are similar. >http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000353.htm >Sending Good thoughts, >{{{{Alana}}}} >GramPaHugs, >Alex,
thanks for that info, alex. no, she’s not pregnant. and her thyroid’s been checked, but i will pass that info onto her anyway. interesting. diane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Says that a Prolactin of 10 to 300 ng/ml may be a sign of pregnancy. >Is there a chance? >It also says that it could be an indicator of Hypothyroidism which is >often misdiagnosed as FMS because some of the symptoms are similar. >http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000353.htm >Sending Good thoughts, >{{{{Alana}}}} >GramPaHugs, >Alex,
Prayers are being said for you both. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hi guys, > my son in law got my computer back in working order. hooray! but his wife, my > stepdaughter, is really worrying me. i swear, it’s as though she and i are > blood relatives. she has always reminded me of myself and now she is getting > symptoms that, IMO, point to an autoimmune disease, although there are none in > her family. please let me tap your collective wisdom to see if you have any > ideas what’s going on with her. > she is 28, an architect, who has had GI problems and UTI’s since she was a kid, > and off and on headaches for years. her headaches have changed in quality and > are pretty constant now. her blood work has all been normal except for an > elevated prolactin level. (normal is under 29, hers is 277). a pituitary tumor > was suspected, but has been ruled out (at least a large one has been ruled out) > by mri. most troubling is that she is now starting to ache all over, more > muscular than joint. her GP thinks it’s fibromyalgia, although that doesn’t > explain the prolactin issue. she is also battling nearly daily nausea now. she > also has what might be "fibro-fog" and is starting to have some trouble with > memory and stringing sentences together, although this would probably not be > noticeable to someone who doesn’t know her. it’s so hard to watch her going > down hill, as those of you with sick kids know. she lives a few hours from me, > so i only get to see her every month or so and the deterioration is marked. we > communicate a lot by phone and email, tho, because i can relate so well to the > "what the hell is happening to me?" feeling she’s enduring. > please send prayers and good vibes in Alana’s direction. i’ve encouraged her to > get on the fibro support group, but she is not interested in that. i am also > nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy. > diane, worried.
I skimmed this post, so forgive me if you mentioned this, but why the hell hasn’t she been to see an endocrinologist?????? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hi guys, > my son in law got my computer back in working order. hooray! but his wife, my > stepdaughter, is really worrying me. i swear, it’s as though she and i are > blood relatives. she has always reminded me of myself and now she is getting > symptoms that, IMO, point to an autoimmune disease, although there are none in > her family. please let me tap your collective wisdom to see if you have any > ideas what’s going on with her. > she is 28, an architect, who has had GI problems and UTI’s since she was a kid, > and off and on headaches for years. her headaches have changed in quality and > are pretty constant now. her blood work has all been normal except for an > elevated prolactin level. (normal is under 29, hers is 277). a pituitary tumor > was suspected, but has been ruled out (at least a large one has been ruled out) > by mri. most troubling is that she is now starting to ache all over, more > muscular than joint. her GP thinks it’s fibromyalgia, although that doesn’t > explain the prolactin issue. she is also battling nearly daily nausea now. she > also has what might be "fibro-fog" and is starting to have some trouble with > memory and stringing sentences together, although this would probably not be > noticeable to someone who doesn’t know her. it’s so hard to watch her going > down hill, as those of you with sick kids know. she lives a few hours from me, > so i only get to see her every month or so and the deterioration is marked. we > communicate a lot by phone and email, tho, because i can relate so well to the > "what the hell is happening to me?" feeling she’s enduring. > please send prayers and good vibes in Alana’s direction. i’ve encouraged her to > get on the fibro support group, but she is not interested in that. i am also > nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy. > diane, worried.
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Of course Alana is now on my prayer list. Please don’t let the stress of worrying about her cause you to flare. Gwen
Hi Diane, http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003718.htm Says that a Prolactin of 10 to 300 ng/ml may be a sign of pregnancy. Is there a chance? It also says that it could be an indicator of Hypothyroidism which is often misdiagnosed as FMS because some of the symptoms are similar. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000353.htm Sending Good thoughts, {{{{Alana}}}} GramPaHugs, Alex, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hi guys, > my son in law got my computer back in working order. hooray! but his wife, my > stepdaughter, is really worrying me. i swear, it’s as though she and i are > blood relatives. she has always reminded me of myself and now she is getting > symptoms that, IMO, point to an autoimmune disease, although there are none in > her family. please let me tap your collective wisdom to see if you have any > ideas what’s going on with her. > she is 28, an architect, who has had GI problems and UTI’s since she was a kid, > and off and on headaches for years. her headaches have changed in quality and > are pretty constant now. her blood work has all been normal except for an > elevated prolactin level. (normal is under 29, hers is 277). a pituitary tumor > was suspected, but has been ruled out (at least a large one has been ruled out) > by mri. most troubling is that she is now starting to ache all over, more > muscular than joint. her GP thinks it’s fibromyalgia, although that doesn’t > explain the prolactin issue. she is also battling nearly daily nausea now. she > also has what might be "fibro-fog" and is starting to have some trouble with > memory and stringing sentences together, although this would probably not be > noticeable to someone who doesn’t know her. it’s so hard to watch her going > down hill, as those of you with sick kids know. she lives a few hours from me, > so i only get to see her every month or so and the deterioration is marked. we > communicate a lot by phone and email, tho, because i can relate so well to the > "what the hell is happening to me?" feeling she’s enduring. > please send prayers and good vibes in Alana’s direction. i’ve encouraged her to > get on the fibro support group, but she is not interested in that. i am also > nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy. > diane, worried.
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(((((((((((((((((((((diane)))))))))))))))))) how scary. i’ve just put alana on my list. kate
hi guys, my son in law got my computer back in working order. hooray! but his wife, my stepdaughter, is really worrying me. i swear, it’s as though she and i are blood relatives. she has always reminded me of myself and now she is getting symptoms that, IMO, point to an autoimmune disease, although there are none in her family. please let me tap your collective wisdom to see if you have any ideas what’s going on with her. she is 28, an architect, who has had GI problems and UTI’s since she was a kid, and off and on headaches for years. her headaches have changed in quality and are pretty constant now. her blood work has all been normal except for an elevated prolactin level. (normal is under 29, hers is 277). a pituitary tumor was suspected, but has been ruled out (at least a large one has been ruled out) by mri. most troubling is that she is now starting to ache all over, more muscular than joint. her GP thinks it’s fibromyalgia, although that doesn’t explain the prolactin issue. she is also battling nearly daily nausea now. she also has what might be "fibro-fog" and is starting to have some trouble with memory and stringing sentences together, although this would probably not be noticeable to someone who doesn’t know her. it’s so hard to watch her going down hill, as those of you with sick kids know. she lives a few hours from me, so i only get to see her every month or so and the deterioration is marked. we communicate a lot by phone and email, tho, because i can relate so well to the "what the hell is happening to me?" feeling she’s enduring. please send prayers and good vibes in Alana’s direction. i’ve encouraged her to get on the fibro support group, but she is not interested in that. i am also nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy. diane, worried.
No advice, sweetie, but Alana will definitely be added to our prayer list. I worry about my two kids as well. Rob has often exhibited clear signs of FMS, but as a 23-year old guy, there’s no way he’ll admit it until he has to. Anyway, both you and Alana will be prayed over regularly. We love you! DeeTee DeeTee and Bob Taggart http://home.earthlink.net/~bdtaggart/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hi guys, > my son in law got my computer back in working order. hooray! but his wife, my > stepdaughter, is really worrying me. i swear, it’s as though she and i are > blood relatives. she has always reminded me of myself and now she is getting > symptoms that, IMO, point to an autoimmune disease, although there are none in > her family. please let me tap your collective wisdom to see if you have any > ideas what’s going on with her. > she is 28, an architect, who has had GI problems and UTI’s since she was a kid, > and off and on headaches for years. her headaches have changed in quality and > are pretty constant now. her blood work has all been normal except for an > elevated prolactin level. (normal is under 29, hers is 277). a pituitary tumor > was suspected, but has been ruled out (at least a large one has been ruled out) > by mri. most troubling is that she is now starting to ache all over, more > muscular than joint. her GP thinks it’s fibromyalgia, although that doesn’t > explain the prolactin issue. she is also battling nearly daily nausea now. she > also has what might be "fibro-fog" and is starting to have some trouble with > memory and stringing sentences together, although this would probably not be > noticeable to someone who doesn’t know her. it’s so hard to watch her going > down hill, as those of you with sick kids know. she lives a few hours from me, > so i only get to see her every month or so and the deterioration is marked. we > communicate a lot by phone and email, tho, because i can relate so well to the > "what the hell is happening to me?" feeling she’s enduring. > please send prayers and good vibes in Alana’s direction. i’ve encouraged her to > get on the fibro support group, but she is not interested in that. i am also > nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy. > diane, worried.
Diane – I hate to tell you that’s how my symptoms started out down to the high prolactin level that to this day has never been explained. They said sometimes it can happen with the MS lesions in the right place and that’s all they’ve said. Please encourage her to meet with both a good neuro and a good rheumy. I will keep her in my thoughts and prayers. — Cyberhugs, DianeW
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hi guys, > my son in law got my computer back in working order. hooray! but his wife, my > stepdaughter, is really worrying me. i swear, it’s as though she and i are > blood relatives. she has always reminded me of myself and now she is getting > symptoms that, IMO, point to an autoimmune disease, although there are none in > her family. please let me tap your collective wisdom to see if you have any > ideas what’s going on with her. > she is 28, an architect, who has had GI problems and UTI’s since she was a kid, > and off and on headaches for years. her headaches have changed in quality and > are pretty constant now. her blood work has all been normal except for an > elevated prolactin level. (normal is under 29, hers is 277). a pituitary tumor > was suspected, but has been ruled out (at least a large one has been ruled out) > by mri. most troubling is that she is now starting to ache all over, more > muscular than joint. her GP thinks it’s fibromyalgia, although that doesn’t > explain the prolactin issue. she is also battling nearly daily nausea now. she > also has what might be "fibro-fog" and is starting to have some trouble with > memory and stringing sentences together, although this would probably not be > noticeable to someone who doesn’t know her. it’s so hard to watch her going > down hill, as those of you with sick kids know. she lives a few hours from me, > so i only get to see her every month or so and the deterioration is marked. we > communicate a lot by phone and email, tho, because i can relate so well to the > "what the hell is happening to me?" feeling she’s enduring. > please send prayers and good vibes in Alana’s direction. i’ve encouraged her to > get on the fibro support group, but she is not interested in that. i am also > nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy. > diane, worried.
Of course prayers and hugs You may want to stress to her that a good RD may well figure out the root of her problem, even if it isn’t arthritis. They are less likely that another doctor to just roll their eyes when a female patient complains "I just ache all over." Only a fraction of autoimmune disease is clearly genetic. It might well run in her family but others haven’t had the same triggers she may have had. I’ve seen explanations that autoimmune problems are not so much from an overactive immune system as from an overstimulated one. And that infection, etc can cause that kind of damage to an otherwise normal immune system. — Jo Firey "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."
> hi guys, > my son in law got my computer back in working order. hooray! but his wife, my > stepdaughter, is really worrying me. i swear, it’s as though she and i are > blood relatives. she has always reminded me of myself and now she is getting > symptoms that, IMO, point to an autoimmune disease, although there are none in > her family. please let me tap your collective wisdom to see if you have any > ideas what’s going on with her. > she is 28, an architect, who has had GI problems and UTI’s
since she was a kid, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> and off and on headaches for years. her headaches have changed in quality and > are pretty constant now. her blood work has all been normal except for an > elevated prolactin level. (normal is under 29, hers is 277). a pituitary tumor > was suspected, but has been ruled out (at least a large one has been ruled out) > by mri. most troubling is that she is now starting to ache all over, more > muscular than joint. her GP thinks it’s fibromyalgia, although that doesn’t > explain the prolactin issue. she is also battling nearly daily nausea now. she > also has what might be "fibro-fog" and is starting to have some trouble with > memory and stringing sentences together, although this would probably not be > noticeable to someone who doesn’t know her. it’s so hard to watch her going > down hill, as those of you with sick kids know. she lives a few hours from me, > so i only get to see her every month or so and the
deterioration is marked. we > communicate a lot by phone and email, tho, because i can
relate so well to the – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "what the hell is happening to me?" feeling she’s enduring. > please send prayers and good vibes in Alana’s direction. i’ve encouraged her to > get on the fibro support group, but she is not interested in that. i am also > nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy. > diane, worried.
hi guys, my son in law got my computer back in working order. hooray! but his wife, my stepdaughter, is really worrying me. i swear, it’s as though she and i are blood relatives. she has always reminded me of myself and now she is getting symptoms that, IMO, point to an autoimmune disease, although there are none in her family. please let me tap your collective wisdom to see if you have any ideas what’s going on with her. she is 28, an architect, who has had GI problems and UTI’s since she was a kid, and off and on headaches for years. her headaches have changed in quality and are pretty constant now. her blood work has all been normal except for an elevated prolactin level. (normal is under 29, hers is 277). a pituitary tumor was suspected, but has been ruled out (at least a large one has been ruled out) by mri. most troubling is that she is now starting to ache all over, more muscular than joint. her GP thinks it’s fibromyalgia, although that doesn’t explain the prolactin issue. she is also battling nearly daily nausea now. she also has what might be "fibro-fog" and is starting to have some trouble with memory and stringing sentences together, although this would probably not be noticeable to someone who doesn’t know her. it’s so hard to watch her going down hill, as those of you with sick kids know. she lives a few hours from me, so i only get to see her every month or so and the deterioration is marked. we communicate a lot by phone and email, tho, because i can relate so well to the "what the hell is happening to me?" feeling she’s enduring. please send prayers and good vibes in Alana’s direction. i’ve encouraged her to get on the fibro support group, but she is not interested in that. i am also nagging her about getting a referral to a rheumy. diane, worried.
> I love those and used to eat them as a snack. But I quit eating them since > I developed a thyroid problem. Soy isn’t the best thing to eat with thyroid > problems. > Can you elaborate on that last point? This is something I haven’t heard.
Some studies indicate that excess soy intake can cause thyroid problems. Other studies indicate that people with thyroid problems should not eat soy or should limit soy intake. Do a search on soy and thyroid and you’ll come up with a ton of hits. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
> I’ve never before paid attention to these, but while flipping through > the Glycemic Index I saw that soy nuts are a 14!!! They’re dry, so three ounces is a > LOT.
I like to sprinkle some soy nuts and some sunflower seeds on a tossed salad. They are not so dry that way and they add some flavor to the salad. Frank Roy
> I’ve never before paid attention to these, but while flipping through > the Glycemic Index I saw that soy nuts are a 14!!! That’s a great > number…. these legumes seemed pretty starchy, so I never paid > attention. Just one more example of the GI being non-intuitive.
<snip> I love those and used to eat them as a snack. But I quit eating them since I developed a thyroid problem. Soy isn’t the best thing to eat with thyroid problems. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting from new account
> I love those and used to eat them as a snack. But I quit eating them since > I developed a thyroid problem. Soy isn’t the best thing to eat with thyroid > problems.
Can you elaborate on that last point? This is something I haven’t heard. — "It is more uplifting to find the beauty, wonder, spirituality, and reverence in what we can see, than to imagine they only exist in what we [[ Type 2, diagnosed 2002-10-04, last A1c 7.2 on 2002-12-03 ]]
I’ve never before paid attention to these, but while flipping through the Glycemic Index I saw that soy nuts are a 14!!! That’s a great number…. these legumes seemed pretty starchy, so I never paid attention. Just one more example of the GI being non-intuitive. So… I found them for sale roasted and salted, some with garlic or onion, some with chili accents. I bought the simplest of them – by Pacific Horizon, in Sylmar CA. Delicious, crunchy, salty, flavorful, and (I will check next time) a suitable vehicle for other flavors as mentioned above. In the name of science, I checked my bg (104) then crunched away on about three ounces, for a published carb content of 30 grams, with 15g fiber and 21g protein. They’re dry, so three ounces is a LOT. Results: Minutes BG 15 105 30 110 45 110 60 115 75 115 90 110 105 108 This is further support for the use of the GI in selecting foods. Obviously, validity increases when others get similar results. If you try this product, please post here.
How does a dr determine if "fibro" is going on from a blood work? There is no such test. Nicole . Thank you VERY much – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> for all of the opinions. He also had blood drawn to test T3, T4 > Thyroid to verify there is no "fibro" going on.
Nicole, It sounds like I was mistaken. I THOUGHT that was how he tested (by doing detailed thyroid testing). I have no idea then, maybe that’s one of the things the Infectious Disease doc will look for today. I’m SO clueless about this stuff. Sorry for the goof. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > How does a dr determine if "fibro" is going on from a blood work? There is > no such test. > Nicole > . Thank you VERY much > for all of the opinions. He also had blood drawn to test T3, T4 > Thyroid to verify there is no "fibro" going on.
I went to the doctor today, he didn’t say much about the rash but I also told him my newest symptom which is a HORRIBLE pain in my left arm and 2 outer fingers of my left hand. Unbelievably, my skin even hurts. I’ve been hugging my arm against me for the past 48 hours, it really bites. He tested my nerves with pricking and come to find out the areas are a little numb. He said that these nerves are controlled by C5, which is where my surgery site was. He took me into his office and called in some favors with some doctor friends he knows. He’s sending me to an Infectious Disease Doctor tomorrow AND a Nuerologist on Monday. Guess he thinks it’s worth looking into. He wants them to test me for discitis. I told him about this google post and he was very receptive to what you all have suggested. Thank you VERY much for all of the opinions. He also had blood drawn to test T3, T4 Thyroid to verify there is no "fibro" going on. Oh and he gave me some Vicadan and Celebrex for the pain in my arm/hand… nice doctor. I really feel like he cares about his patients. Martin, I hope things went as well for you at your doctors visit today. Hopefully I’ll have some answers soon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nanc: > Here are some links. > http://www.back.com/causes-inflammatory.html (inflammatory conditions of > spine) > http://www.spine.org/articles/postprocedural_discitis.cfm (specific to > discitis) > Please let us know how it goes with your doc. I see my phys med doc > tomorrow for pain (it is really bad now, he’s going to either increase > oxycontin from 40mg twice daily or change to duragesic), plus we’ll figure > out what to do. I’ll post how it went. > I hope that all goes well for you. This sure isn’t fun…. > Martin > Martin, > Thank you SO much for posting. And the rest of you too. I feel > better knowing that I’m not the only one with stuff like this > happening. I have an appointment tomorrow for my primary care > physician to see my rash. He’s also going to refer me to an > Infectious Disease Specialist. If they can’t find anything then he > wants me to see a rhuemetologist. He finally was able to talk to my > surgeon yesterday. My surgeon says that he’s certain that my symptoms > are unrelated to my surgery. I just KNOW it’s got to be related > though. > I’m going to print out this posting and bring it to my doctor with me. > Maybe it’ll help. > > You’re not alone. I had a discectomy in August on L4/L5. A few weeks > > later, I got a life threatening infection. The neurosurgeon put me on > IV > > antibiotics and did a "scrub my guts out" surgery on my back. I then > did 1 > > month oral antibiotics. The surgeon (without any blood tests or further > > images) pronounced me better. I was in horrific pain and when I moved > at > > all, I could feel my lower back moving. (very unsettling feeling). > > Since the neurosurgeon pronounced me better, I said f*** him and went > back > > to a physical medicine specialist. He was royally pissed that the > > neurosurgeon would discharge me in such horrible shape. He did the > blood > > tests you are talking about (SED rate, C-Reactive Protein, and CBC – the > > first two test for chemicals in the blood from lots of inflammation, the > > latter for high white blood cells). They were normal, but an MRI showed > > that the ongoing infection in the disc (discitis) had eaten away the > > majority of what remained on L4/L5 and part of the bone. I am in > horrible > > pain (I see the Phys Med doctor tomorrow – he called me on monday with > the > > findings of the MRI) and he’s going to switch me from Oxycontin to > > Duragesic. Like your case, the neurosurgeon is blowing him off. > > I recommend that you do what I am doing. First, work with your primary > care > > doctor and get a neurosurgeon who will look further for infection, or, > an > > infectious disease specialist. Then, contact an attorney. I am suing > my > > neurosurgeon for malpractice. I went to him with all of the early > > indications of discitis and he was too busy to consider the > possibilities. > > The infection has now destroyed part of my vertabrae and the remaining > part > > of my disc. > > I’m sorry to hear of your suffering and illness. I’ve been there and am > > there. It sure isn’t fun. > > Sorry to ramble > > Martin > > > I’ll try not to be too long winded, but I need some help. I’m a 33 > > > year female, in relatively good health. I feel like I’m going nuts! > > > My legs ache something awful and no one knows why. I’ve found old > > > postings of people with similar reactions but can’t contact any of > > > them (I tried). I hope someone out there can help me. > > > In October of this year I had (excuse the spelling please, this is not > > > my area of expertise!) Anterior Disc Replacement surgery at C5-7. > > > They removed my disc and replaced it with a piece of my hip bone and > > > covered this area with a titanium plate. I recovered very well from > > > the surgery. I returned to work after 2 1/2 weeks and was just taking > > > 600mg Ibuprophen. > > > For the past month and a half (basically since I stopped all meds and > > > went back to work), I have been having flu-like symptoms. I have a > > > slight fever, major aching joints and muscles… primarily in my hands > > > and legs and lots of headaches. I feel like I have a raging fever but > > > it’s only like 100.8. I called my surgeon, (he’s released me), and he > > > said that since its both legs, it can’t have anything to do with my > > > surgery and for me to call my regular doctor. > > > My regular doctor took blood and it all came back normal. With the > > > exception of something he called a Sig rate??? or something like > > > that.. he said it was elevated which indicated internal inflammation. > > > He ordered a CT scan of my surgery site and it came back with a > > > POSSIBLE fracture behind the plate. He called my surgeon to get his > > > advice but he won’t return my regular doctors phone calls. My doctor > > > feels that perhaps I’m allergic to the titanium plate and is getting > > > ready to refer me to a rhuemetologist or an internal medicine doctor. > > > Noting else has been mentioned about the possible fracture. It could > > > have been a streak from the plate of a slight movement on my part. > > > My latest symptom (my doctor hasn’t seen yet) is that I’ve developed a > > > rash on my chest. Skin is kind of splotchy, with no itching. > > > Anyone have any ideas? Please post or email me!!!!
Martin, Thank you SO much for posting. And the rest of you too. I feel better knowing that I’m not the only one with stuff like this happening. I have an appointment tomorrow for my primary care physician to see my rash. He’s also going to refer me to an Infectious Disease Specialist. If they can’t find anything then he wants me to see a rhuemetologist. He finally was able to talk to my surgeon yesterday. My surgeon says that he’s certain that my symptoms are unrelated to my surgery. I just KNOW it’s got to be related though. I’m going to print out this posting and bring it to my doctor with me. Maybe it’ll help. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You’re not alone. I had a discectomy in August on L4/L5. A few weeks > later, I got a life threatening infection. The neurosurgeon put me on IV > antibiotics and did a "scrub my guts out" surgery on my back. I then did 1 > month oral antibiotics. The surgeon (without any blood tests or further > images) pronounced me better. I was in horrific pain and when I moved at > all, I could feel my lower back moving. (very unsettling feeling). > Since the neurosurgeon pronounced me better, I said f*** him and went back > to a physical medicine specialist. He was royally pissed that the > neurosurgeon would discharge me in such horrible shape. He did the blood > tests you are talking about (SED rate, C-Reactive Protein, and CBC – the > first two test for chemicals in the blood from lots of inflammation, the > latter for high white blood cells). They were normal, but an MRI showed > that the ongoing infection in the disc (discitis) had eaten away the > majority of what remained on L4/L5 and part of the bone. I am in horrible > pain (I see the Phys Med doctor tomorrow – he called me on monday with the > findings of the MRI) and he’s going to switch me from Oxycontin to > Duragesic. Like your case, the neurosurgeon is blowing him off. > I recommend that you do what I am doing. First, work with your primary care > doctor and get a neurosurgeon who will look further for infection, or, an > infectious disease specialist. Then, contact an attorney. I am suing my > neurosurgeon for malpractice. I went to him with all of the early > indications of discitis and he was too busy to consider the possibilities. > The infection has now destroyed part of my vertabrae and the remaining part > of my disc. > I’m sorry to hear of your suffering and illness. I’ve been there and am > there. It sure isn’t fun. > Sorry to ramble > Martin > I’ll try not to be too long winded, but I need some help. I’m a 33 > year female, in relatively good health. I feel like I’m going nuts! > My legs ache something awful and no one knows why. I’ve found old > postings of people with similar reactions but can’t contact any of > them (I tried). I hope someone out there can help me. > In October of this year I had (excuse the spelling please, this is not > my area of expertise!) Anterior Disc Replacement surgery at C5-7. > They removed my disc and replaced it with a piece of my hip bone and > covered this area with a titanium plate. I recovered very well from > the surgery. I returned to work after 2 1/2 weeks and was just taking > 600mg Ibuprophen. > For the past month and a half (basically since I stopped all meds and > went back to work), I have been having flu-like symptoms. I have a > slight fever, major aching joints and muscles… primarily in my hands > and legs and lots of headaches. I feel like I have a raging fever but > it’s only like 100.8. I called my surgeon, (he’s released me), and he > said that since its both legs, it can’t have anything to do with my > surgery and for me to call my regular doctor. > My regular doctor took blood and it all came back normal. With the > exception of something he called a Sig rate??? or something like > that.. he said it was elevated which indicated internal inflammation. > He ordered a CT scan of my surgery site and it came back with a > POSSIBLE fracture behind the plate. He called my surgeon to get his > advice but he won’t return my regular doctors phone calls. My doctor > feels that perhaps I’m allergic to the titanium plate and is getting > ready to refer me to a rhuemetologist or an internal medicine doctor. > Noting else has been mentioned about the possible fracture. It could > have been a streak from the plate of a slight movement on my part. > My latest symptom (my doctor hasn’t seen yet) is that I’ve developed a > rash on my chest. Skin is kind of splotchy, with no itching. > Anyone have any ideas? Please post or email me!!!!
Nanc: Here are some links. http://www.back.com/causes-inflammatory.html (inflammatory conditions of spine) http://www.spine.org/articles/postprocedural_discitis.cfm (specific to discitis) Please let us know how it goes with your doc. I see my phys med doc tomorrow for pain (it is really bad now, he’s going to either increase oxycontin from 40mg twice daily or change to duragesic), plus we’ll figure out what to do. I’ll post how it went. I hope that all goes well for you. This sure isn’t fun…. Martin
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Martin, > Thank you SO much for posting. And the rest of you too. I feel > better knowing that I’m not the only one with stuff like this > happening. I have an appointment tomorrow for my primary care > physician to see my rash. He’s also going to refer me to an > Infectious Disease Specialist. If they can’t find anything then he > wants me to see a rhuemetologist. He finally was able to talk to my > surgeon yesterday. My surgeon says that he’s certain that my symptoms > are unrelated to my surgery. I just KNOW it’s got to be related > though. > I’m going to print out this posting and bring it to my doctor with me. > Maybe it’ll help.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You’re not alone. I had a discectomy in August on L4/L5. A few weeks > later, I got a life threatening infection. The neurosurgeon put me on IV > antibiotics and did a "scrub my guts out" surgery on my back. I then did 1 > month oral antibiotics. The surgeon (without any blood tests or further > images) pronounced me better. I was in horrific pain and when I moved at > all, I could feel my lower back moving. (very unsettling feeling). > Since the neurosurgeon pronounced me better, I said f*** him and went back > to a physical medicine specialist. He was royally pissed that the > neurosurgeon would discharge me in such horrible shape. He did the blood > tests you are talking about (SED rate, C-Reactive Protein, and CBC – the > first two test for chemicals in the blood from lots of inflammation, the > latter for high white blood cells). They were normal, but an MRI showed > that the ongoing infection in the disc (discitis) had eaten away the > majority of what remained on L4/L5 and part of the bone. I am in horrible > pain (I see the Phys Med doctor tomorrow – he called me on monday with the > findings of the MRI) and he’s going to switch me from Oxycontin to > Duragesic. Like your case, the neurosurgeon is blowing him off. > I recommend that you do what I am doing. First, work with your primary care > doctor and get a neurosurgeon who will look further for infection, or, an > infectious disease specialist. Then, contact an attorney. I am suing my > neurosurgeon for malpractice. I went to him with all of the early > indications of discitis and he was too busy to consider the possibilities. > The infection has now destroyed part of my vertabrae and the remaining part > of my disc. > I’m sorry to hear of your suffering and illness. I’ve been there and am > there. It sure isn’t fun. > Sorry to ramble > Martin > > I’ll try not to be too long winded, but I need some help. I’m a 33 > > year female, in relatively good health. I feel like I’m going nuts! > > My legs ache something awful and no one knows why. I’ve found old > > postings of people with similar reactions but can’t contact any of > > them (I tried). I hope someone out there can help me. > > In October of this year I had (excuse the spelling please, this is not > > my area of expertise!) Anterior Disc Replacement surgery at C5-7. > > They removed my disc and replaced it with a piece of my hip bone and > > covered this area with a titanium plate. I recovered very well from > > the surgery. I returned to work after 2 1/2 weeks and was just taking > > 600mg Ibuprophen. > > For the past month and a half (basically since I stopped all meds and > > went back to work), I have been having flu-like symptoms. I have a > > slight fever, major aching joints and muscles… primarily in my hands > > and legs and lots of headaches. I feel like I have a raging fever but > > it’s only like 100.8. I called my surgeon, (he’s released me), and he > > said that since its both legs, it can’t have anything to do with my > > surgery and for me to call my regular doctor. > > My regular doctor took blood and it all came back normal. With the > > exception of something he called a Sig rate??? or something like > > that.. he said it was elevated which indicated internal inflammation. > > He ordered a CT scan of my surgery site and it came back with a > > POSSIBLE fracture behind the plate. He called my surgeon to get his > > advice but he won’t return my regular doctors phone calls. My doctor > > feels that perhaps I’m allergic to the titanium plate and is getting > > ready to refer me to a rhuemetologist or an internal medicine doctor. > > Noting else has been mentioned about the possible fracture. It could > > have been a streak from the plate of a slight movement on my part. > > My latest symptom (my doctor hasn’t seen yet) is that I’ve developed a > > rash on my chest. Skin is kind of splotchy, with no itching. > > Anyone have any ideas? Please post or email me!!!!
There’s a post here about discitis… I realise your disk was taken out, but I wonder if there’s some kind of infection in the area of the bone that they say might be fractured? It sounds like your surgeon was fobbing you off, *and* your doc! Very irresponsible. I don’t like the sound of the rash – maybe you should ring your regular doc and let him know about it, it might give him a clue as to what’s going on. Maybe it’s got nothing to do with the surgery, so keep that in mind in case the doc doesn’t consider other reasons! — Katharine S. The more you share the more you have. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ll try not to be too long winded, but I need some help. I’m a 33 > year female, in relatively good health. I feel like I’m going nuts! > My legs ache something awful and no one knows why. I’ve found old > postings of people with similar reactions but can’t contact any of > them (I tried). I hope someone out there can help me. > In October of this year I had (excuse the spelling please, this is not > my area of expertise!) Anterior Disc Replacement surgery at C5-7. > They removed my disc and replaced it with a piece of my hip bone and > covered this area with a titanium plate. I recovered very well from > the surgery. I returned to work after 2 1/2 weeks and was just taking > 600mg Ibuprophen. > For the past month and a half (basically since I stopped all meds and > went back to work), I have been having flu-like symptoms. I have a > slight fever, major aching joints and muscles… primarily in my hands > and legs and lots of headaches. I feel like I have a raging fever but > it’s only like 100.8. I called my surgeon, (he’s released me), and he > said that since its both legs, it can’t have anything to do with my > surgery and for me to call my regular doctor. > My regular doctor took blood and it all came back normal. With the > exception of something he called a Sig rate??? or something like > that.. he said it was elevated which indicated internal inflammation. > He ordered a CT scan of my surgery site and it came back with a > POSSIBLE fracture behind the plate. He called my surgeon to get his > advice but he won’t return my regular doctors phone calls. My doctor > feels that perhaps I’m allergic to the titanium plate and is getting > ready to refer me to a rhuemetologist or an internal medicine doctor. > Noting else has been mentioned about the possible fracture. It could > have been a streak from the plate of a slight movement on my part. > My latest symptom (my doctor hasn’t seen yet) is that I’ve developed a > rash on my chest. Skin is kind of splotchy, with no itching. > Anyone have any ideas? Please post or email me!!!!
You’re not alone. I had a discectomy in August on L4/L5. A few weeks later, I got a life threatening infection. The neurosurgeon put me on IV antibiotics and did a "scrub my guts out" surgery on my back. I then did 1 month oral antibiotics. The surgeon (without any blood tests or further images) pronounced me better. I was in horrific pain and when I moved at all, I could feel my lower back moving. (very unsettling feeling). Since the neurosurgeon pronounced me better, I said f*** him and went back to a physical medicine specialist. He was royally pissed that the neurosurgeon would discharge me in such horrible shape. He did the blood tests you are talking about (SED rate, C-Reactive Protein, and CBC – the first two test for chemicals in the blood from lots of inflammation, the latter for high white blood cells). They were normal, but an MRI showed that the ongoing infection in the disc (discitis) had eaten away the majority of what remained on L4/L5 and part of the bone. I am in horrible pain (I see the Phys Med doctor tomorrow – he called me on monday with the findings of the MRI) and he’s going to switch me from Oxycontin to Duragesic. Like your case, the neurosurgeon is blowing him off. I recommend that you do what I am doing. First, work with your primary care doctor and get a neurosurgeon who will look further for infection, or, an infectious disease specialist. Then, contact an attorney. I am suing my neurosurgeon for malpractice. I went to him with all of the early indications of discitis and he was too busy to consider the possibilities. The infection has now destroyed part of my vertabrae and the remaining part of my disc. I’m sorry to hear of your suffering and illness. I’ve been there and am there. It sure isn’t fun. Sorry to ramble Martin
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ll try not to be too long winded, but I need some help. I’m a 33 > year female, in relatively good health. I feel like I’m going nuts! > My legs ache something awful and no one knows why. I’ve found old > postings of people with similar reactions but can’t contact any of > them (I tried). I hope someone out there can help me. > In October of this year I had (excuse the spelling please, this is not > my area of expertise!) Anterior Disc Replacement surgery at C5-7. > They removed my disc and replaced it with a piece of my hip bone and > covered this area with a titanium plate. I recovered very well from > the surgery. I returned to work after 2 1/2 weeks and was just taking > 600mg Ibuprophen. > For the past month and a half (basically since I stopped all meds and > went back to work), I have been having flu-like symptoms. I have a > slight fever, major aching joints and muscles… primarily in my hands > and legs and lots of headaches. I feel like I have a raging fever but > it’s only like 100.8. I called my surgeon, (he’s released me), and he > said that since its both legs, it can’t have anything to do with my > surgery and for me to call my regular doctor. > My regular doctor took blood and it all came back normal. With the > exception of something he called a Sig rate??? or something like > that.. he said it was elevated which indicated internal inflammation. > He ordered a CT scan of my surgery site and it came back with a > POSSIBLE fracture behind the plate. He called my surgeon to get his > advice but he won’t return my regular doctors phone calls. My doctor > feels that perhaps I’m allergic to the titanium plate and is getting > ready to refer me to a rhuemetologist or an internal medicine doctor. > Noting else has been mentioned about the possible fracture. It could > have been a streak from the plate of a slight movement on my part. > My latest symptom (my doctor hasn’t seen yet) is that I’ve developed a > rash on my chest. Skin is kind of splotchy, with no itching. > Anyone have any ideas? Please post or email me!!!!
I’ll try not to be too long winded, but I need some help. I’m a 33 year female, in relatively good health. I feel like I’m going nuts! My legs ache something awful and no one knows why. I’ve found old postings of people with similar reactions but can’t contact any of them (I tried). I hope someone out there can help me. In October of this year I had (excuse the spelling please, this is not my area of expertise!) Anterior Disc Replacement surgery at C5-7. They removed my disc and replaced it with a piece of my hip bone and covered this area with a titanium plate. I recovered very well from the surgery. I returned to work after 2 1/2 weeks and was just taking 600mg Ibuprophen. For the past month and a half (basically since I stopped all meds and went back to work), I have been having flu-like symptoms. I have a slight fever, major aching joints and muscles… primarily in my hands and legs and lots of headaches. I feel like I have a raging fever but it’s only like 100.8. I called my surgeon, (he’s released me), and he said that since its both legs, it can’t have anything to do with my surgery and for me to call my regular doctor. My regular doctor took blood and it all came back normal. With the exception of something he called a Sig rate??? or something like that.. he said it was elevated which indicated internal inflammation. He ordered a CT scan of my surgery site and it came back with a POSSIBLE fracture behind the plate. He called my surgeon to get his advice but he won’t return my regular doctors phone calls. My doctor feels that perhaps I’m allergic to the titanium plate and is getting ready to refer me to a rhuemetologist or an internal medicine doctor. Noting else has been mentioned about the possible fracture. It could have been a streak from the plate of a slight movement on my part. My latest symptom (my doctor hasn’t seen yet) is that I’ve developed a rash on my chest. Skin is kind of splotchy, with no itching. Anyone have any ideas? Please post or email me!!!!
The test is SED rate. It measures inflammation. Your symptoms sound a lot like mine (I have systemic lupus and fibro). I hope you feel better soon and it’s nothing serious! Nicole
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ll try not to be too long winded, but I need some help. I’m a 33 > year female, in relatively good health. I feel like I’m going nuts! > My legs ache something awful and no one knows why. I’ve found old > postings of people with similar reactions but can’t contact any of > them (I tried). I hope someone out there can help me. > In October of this year I had (excuse the spelling please, this is not > my area of expertise!) Anterior Disc Replacement surgery at C5-7. > They removed my disc and replaced it with a piece of my hip bone and > covered this area with a titanium plate. I recovered very well from > the surgery. I returned to work after 2 1/2 weeks and was just taking > 600mg Ibuprophen. > For the past month and a half (basically since I stopped all meds and > went back to work), I have been having flu-like symptoms. I have a > slight fever, major aching joints and muscles… primarily in my hands > and legs and lots of headaches. I feel like I have a raging fever but > it’s only like 100.8. I called my surgeon, (he’s released me), and he > said that since its both legs, it can’t have anything to do with my > surgery and for me to call my regular doctor. > My regular doctor took blood and it all came back normal. With the > exception of something he called a Sig rate??? or something like > that.. he said it was elevated which indicated internal inflammation. > He ordered a CT scan of my surgery site and it came back with a > POSSIBLE fracture behind the plate. He called my surgeon to get his > advice but he won’t return my regular doctors phone calls. My doctor > feels that perhaps I’m allergic to the titanium plate and is getting > ready to refer me to a rhuemetologist or an internal medicine doctor. > Noting else has been mentioned about the possible fracture. It could > have been a streak from the plate of a slight movement on my part. > My latest symptom (my doctor hasn’t seen yet) is that I’ve developed a > rash on my chest. Skin is kind of splotchy, with no itching. > Anyone have any ideas? Please post or email me!!!!
My mornings usually run 120 or so. I was SO good on Christmas Day – roast beef, salad, tiny helping of herbed potatos and braised carrots. Then – coffee – with amaretto! I haven’t had amaretto for years. I FELL! Next morning, 159! Serves me right. But it felt sooooo good. Nan, Type 2 last 12 years or so.
>Some of these posts are so funny! But, really, what does happen to someone >who’s insulin resistant or diabetic who normally follows their diet then >eats a box of chocolates? I know a person who did just that and they’re not >feeling so great, although they also have thyroid problems and aren’t sure >sometimes what’s going on. For instance, if they have a racing pulse, >despite being on a beta blocker could this be attributable to perhaps, a >"spike" after consuming the lot of chocolates? >Jere
Chocolate contains a stimulant similar to caffeine (theobromide). Folks with caffeine restrictions are also advised to limit their chocolate. http://www.mrkland.com/fun/xocoatl/caffeine.htm Regards Old Al
| Chocolate contains a stimulant similar to caffeine (theobromide). Here’s some ASCII chemistry for y’all: | H O N / / N || _ | || // `H // / // O N N CH3 H CHOCOLATE (THEOBROMINE) |Folks with caffeine restrictions are also advised to limit their chocolate. And, naturally: | CH3 O N / / N || _ | || // `H // / // O N N CH3 CAFFEINE |http://www.mrkland.com/fun/xocoatl/caffeine.htm | |Regards | Old Al I didn’t make ‘em so I hope they are accurate – as accurate as ASCII chemistry gets, that is Dirk d f i s c h e r (at) n e o (dot) r r (dot) c o m
Some of these posts are so funny! But, really, what does happen to someone who’s insulin resistant or diabetic who normally follows their diet then eats a box of chocolates? I know a person who did just that and they’re not feeling so great, although they also have thyroid problems and aren’t sure sometimes what’s going on. For instance, if they have a racing pulse, despite being on a beta blocker could this be attributable to perhaps, a "spike" after consuming the lot of chocolates? Jere
> Some of these posts are so funny! But, really, what does happen to someone > who’s insulin resistant or diabetic who normally follows their diet then > eats a box of chocolates? I know a person who did just that and they’re not > feeling so great, although they also have thyroid problems and aren’t sure > sometimes what’s going on. For instance, if they have a racing pulse, > despite being on a beta blocker could this be attributable to perhaps, a > "spike" after consuming the lot of chocolates?
Well, people on low carb diets typically feel crappy if they indulge in a bunch of starchy stuff. Some people feel overheated. Others feel tired. When I did my oatmeal experiment (never to be repeated!), my fingers felt tingly and weird when my blood sugar was at its highest. Normally, if I overdo it on the carbs, I just feel tired. — AF
>I never heard of it until a few minutes ago. I don’t understand the product >or the approach.
[snip] Thanks for the link. Oral Hectorol definitely belongs on my Vitamin-D Analogs page, even though it appears to be an analog of vitamin D2 instead of D3. http://psorsite.com/calcipo.html It’ll probably be a competitor with Dovonex, if the testing pans out. Judging by the other drugs listed on Bone Care’s chart, I wouldn’t expect this one to hit the streets as approved for psoriasis until at least 2005. – Dave W. http://psorsite.com/
I never heard of it until a few minutes ago. I don’t understand the product or the approach. "Bone Care (www.bonecare.com) is a pharmaceutical company engaged in discovering, developing and commercializing improved vitamin D-hormone therapies to treat secondary hyperparathyroidism in patients with kidney, or renal disease, and osteoporosis, and other diseases including psoriasis and cancers of the prostate, breast and colon." Note ‘Psoriasis’ at the bottom of the chart here: http://www.bonecare.com/company/product_pipeline.html
>I never heard of it until a few minutes ago. I don’t understand the product >or the approach. >"Bone Care (www.bonecare.com) is a pharmaceutical company engaged in >discovering, developing and commercializing improved vitamin D-hormone >therapies to treat secondary hyperparathyroidism in patients with kidney, or >renal disease, and osteoporosis, and other diseases including psoriasis and >cancers of the prostate, breast and colon."
Well, Dovonex is a vitamin-D derivative, so maybe they’re working on something along those lines. J.