RIP
> RIP
Sorry, forgot the link. http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5254426,00.html He died at home from thyroid cancer. This was one of the judges that voted against allowing developers to seize private property.
>>RIP > Sorry, forgot the link. > http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5254426,00.html > He died at home from thyroid cancer. > This was one of the judges that voted against allowing developers to > seize private property.
That’s too bad… Besides honoring individual rights in those cases, He was also an ardent supporter of states rights. He certainly wasn’t the right person for some opinions; but he was damn sure on the right side of those! That’s ok though, I’m sure that we can count on peerless leader to pick someone moderate enough as to offend neither his hard line supporters, nor the screaming NNN (Nattering Nabobs of Negativity) of the minority opposition. </sarcasm> John King Moderate Independent
>>RIP > Sorry, forgot the link. > http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5254426,00.html > He died at home from thyroid cancer. > This was one of the judges that voted against allowing developers to > seize private property.
IIRC, he voted against Roe vs Wade as well… gtski
>>>RIP > Sorry, forgot the link. > http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5254426,00.html > He died at home from thyroid cancer. > This was one of the judges that voted against > allowing developers to seize private property. >IIRC, he voted against Roe vs Wade as well…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rehnquist "Rehnquist also created a unique robe for himself as Chief Justice in 1994. It has four golden bars on each sleeve. In the past, Chief Justices had not dressed differently from any of the Associate Justices. Rehnquist’s robe was modeled after a robe he had seen in a production of Gilbert and Sullivan’s operetta Iolanthe, first staged in London in 1882. "Rehnquist has also led the way in establishing more governmental leniency towards state aid for religion, writing for another 5-to-4 majority in Zelman v. Simmons-Harris, 536 U.S. 639 (2002), approving a school voucher program that aided parochial schools." The Repair Guy http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/
> and I got a thyroxin Harmon as tablets about 200 mg per day > after this high dose all my body was very active and diarrhea attacked > me very hard > and I lost control > Doctors said to me that thyroxin dose is irrelevant and I had to take > the 200 mg > and if I did not take the dose my body will shut down
mmm I think the very good folks at alt. support thyroid have a different opinion on this. You are on a very high dose of thyroid medication ( is Harmon a brand name?). And this can certainly cause diarrhea. Please post latest blood tests, preferably on the thyroid group for more knowledgeable info. They can help in this area. What country are you in? Another thyroid medication, something which contains T3 might be much more suitable for you but not always obtainable in every country. It is very possible your T4 stays low, or you have symptoms and they just give more T4. The body suppose to convert this to T3 but sometimes has trouble doing this. There are a lot of doctors who dispute this possibility. If that is the case with your doc he probably didn’t even test for T3. Do give your lab values with the testing numbers though. They can vary a lot from lab to lab and country to country ( different testing methods) Please note, usually on these support groups there are no doctors, but on the thyroid group there are some very knowledgeable people who might know more then the average endocrinologist. Please do give your blood test results for an opinion; but also what happened with your thyroid. Why does your doc think it will shut your body down? Did you have thyroid cancer, or radiation, or…. Please include all that info. It does change things.
I have sever and chronic diarrhea from 14 year and I did a lot of investigations in 3 different countries I spent at Germany about 15 days in investigation but unfortunately all investigations was negative the only test that I was positive is lactose intolerance but I already did not eat any milk product from 14 years the result of all investigations that I have not any physical disease and my colon move very fast for no reason may be as Irritable Bowel Syndrome I take 10 tablets of Imodium 2 mg Lopramide HCL every day and a lot of other colon medicine but I still suffer too much from this disease and some doctors said to me that may I have a disease but they did not discover I tried with all colon ulcer medicines and I tried a lot of anti bacterial diseases and other medicine for no reasons but Imodium is the only medicine that have effect Now after 10 years for stable case with Imodium I was sick from thyroid my thyroid vanished through 3 years as doctors said and they don’t know why and I got a thyroxin Harmon as tablets about 200 mg per day after this high dose all my body was very active and diarrhea attacked me very hard and I lost control Doctors said to me that thyroxin dose is irrelevant and I had to take the 200 mg and if I did not take the dose my body will shut down Now the last test I did is colonodcopy and Gastroscopy at 3-9-2004 and apparently I have normal 100% result as my G.P said and Now I am again suffer too much from this disease any one have any help or even suggestion? if any doctor interested at my case I can send all my papers thanks
Maybe Paul Burrell will be the next Brit to claim he has IBD. I hate him!!! A loyal royal watcher… Nora – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Anything like this from a "celebrity" is to be regarded with suspicion. >Here is the UK, several celebs have suddenly announced that they’ve got CD and grabbed some cheap publicity for their fading careers by so doing. In all their articles however, I’ve noticed the sort of howlers that no real sufferer would ever make !
>May 24, 2003 — HOWARD Stern sidekick Robin Quivers surprised listeners = >yesterday by announcing that her recent dramatic weight loss was the = >result of an intestinal condition she feared might kill her.=20 >"I was dying," Quivers said, reluctant to talk about her illness until = >Stern pressed her for details. "I had a big problem. I was in really bad = >shape and really thought I was going to die."=20 >Quivers said she suffered from what she called "inflammatory syndrome" = >but described symptoms that fit both Inflammatory Bowel Disease and = >Irritable Bowel Syndrome, the precise causes of which are unknown.=20
<snipped> Did she mention seeing a dr before she launched into this odd liquid conconction? She indicates she still can’t eat most food….did she self-diagnose? I assume she’s paid well enough to get a medical opinion…
Anything like this from a "celebrity" is to be regarded with suspicion. Here is the UK, several celebs have suddenly announced that they’ve got CD and grabbed some cheap publicity for their fading careers by so doing. In all their articles however, I’ve noticed the sort of howlers that no real sufferer would ever make !
Who has said it in the UK? Just being nosy, lol I’ve heard of the voice coach (?) on Fame Academy, and Kane (from Emerdale, but that was years ago). Mel 
Anything like this from a "celebrity" is to be regarded with suspicion. Here is the UK, several celebs have suddenly announced that they’ve got CD and grabbed some cheap publicity for their fading careers by so doing. In all their articles however, I’ve noticed the sort of howlers that no real sufferer would ever make !
who on earth would fake such a thing. i highly doubt it. i have not heard of anyone in the Us faking IBD or any other disease. Robin Quivers is a bright articulate woman. why on earth would she do that? please! Anything like this from a "celebrity" is to be regarded with suspicion. Here is the UK, several celebs have suddenly announced that they’ve got CD and grabbed some cheap publicity for their fading careers by so doing. In all their articles however, I’ve noticed the sort of howlers that no real sufferer would ever make !
This made me laugh out loud, but is too true! Jay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Several years ago Howard Stern called Rush Limbaugh a "big fat pumpkin >head". History has proven him right about that. >- Jeff > I don’t trust anything from Howard Stern. > > Very interesting…thanks for posting. Nora > > >from the NY Post > > >May 24, 2003 > > >HOWARD STERN SIDEKICK SECRET SHOCKS LISTENERS: > > >I ALMOST STARVED TO DEATH > > >By JOHN MAINELLI > > >May 24, 2003 — HOWARD Stern sidekick Robin Quivers surprised listeners > yesterday by announcing that her recent dramatic weight loss was the >result > of an intestinal condition she feared might kill her. > > >"I was dying," Quivers said, reluctant to talk about her illness until > Stern pressed her for details. "I had a big problem. I was in really bad > shape and really thought I was going to die." > > >Quivers said she suffered from what she called "inflammatory syndrome" > but described symptoms that fit both Inflammatory Bowel Disease and > Irritable Bowel Syndrome, the precise causes of which are unknown. > > >"I didn’t eat, period," she said. "None of my system was working, so my > body wasn’t processing food at all – the food would just lie in my >digestive > tract. > > >"I was sick as a dog. I was even having heart palpitations," said > Quivers, 50, who lost 60 pounds in the last few months. "I literally could > not move – I was sluggish, full of water, and all my joints were aching." > > >Quivers revealed that, at one point, she went 21 days without eating > solid food, subsisting on a liquid concoction recommended by magician >David > Blaine. "I thanked David profusely," she said. "I ran into him one day and > said, ‘You saved my life.’ " > > >Quivers initially declined to disclose the ingredients in the syrupy, > yellow liquid staffers had seen her drinking. > > >After prodding from Stern, she said it was "a very alkaline, acid-base > balance" liquid that included real maple syrup, lemon juice, cayenne >pepper > and water. [Ed. - I believe this is the diet Robin used: Stanley Burroughs > Master Cleanser. As usual, be careful, see your doctor before starting any > diet, and I won't be held responsible for any results, good or bad!] > > >Quivers, who said she also suffers from hyperthyroidism, said she can >now > eat some solid food – but no bread, dairy products, most fruits or raw > vegetables – and averages about a meal a day. > > >"I feel great – probably better than I have my entire life," she said. > "But I could easily go back to the sick room any second. I have to stay on >a > strict regimen."
its from the ny post not howard.. all i am asking is if robin quivers has ibd.. not about the stupid and dangerous drink..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t trust anything from Howard Stern. > Very interesting…thanks for posting. Nora > >from the NY Post > >May 24, 2003 > >HOWARD STERN SIDEKICK SECRET SHOCKS LISTENERS: > >I ALMOST STARVED TO DEATH > >By JOHN MAINELLI > >May 24, 2003 — HOWARD Stern sidekick Robin Quivers surprised listeners > yesterday by announcing that her recent dramatic weight loss was the result > of an intestinal condition she feared might kill her. > >"I was dying," Quivers said, reluctant to talk about her illness until > Stern pressed her for details. "I had a big problem. I was in really bad > shape and really thought I was going to die." > >Quivers said she suffered from what she called "inflammatory syndrome" > but described symptoms that fit both Inflammatory Bowel Disease and > Irritable Bowel Syndrome, the precise causes of which are unknown. > >"I didn’t eat, period," she said. "None of my system was working, so my > body wasn’t processing food at all – the food would just lie in my digestive > tract. > >"I was sick as a dog. I was even having heart palpitations," said > Quivers, 50, who lost 60 pounds in the last few months. "I literally could > not move – I was sluggish, full of water, and all my joints were aching." > >Quivers revealed that, at one point, she went 21 days without eating > solid food, subsisting on a liquid concoction recommended by magician David > Blaine. "I thanked David profusely," she said. "I ran into him one day and > said, ‘You saved my life.’ " > >Quivers initially declined to disclose the ingredients in the syrupy, > yellow liquid staffers had seen her drinking. > >After prodding from Stern, she said it was "a very alkaline, acid-base > balance" liquid that included real maple syrup, lemon juice, cayenne pepper > and water. [Ed. - I believe this is the diet Robin used: Stanley Burroughs > Master Cleanser. As usual, be careful, see your doctor before starting any > diet, and I won't be held responsible for any results, good or bad!] > >Quivers, who said she also suffers from hyperthyroidism, said she can now > eat some solid food – but no bread, dairy products, most fruits or raw > vegetables – and averages about a meal a day. > >"I feel great – probably better than I have my entire life," she said. > "But I could easily go back to the sick room any second. I have to stay on a > strict regimen."
Several years ago Howard Stern called Rush Limbaugh a "big fat pumpkin head". History has proven him right about that. – Jeff
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t trust anything from Howard Stern. > Very interesting…thanks for posting. Nora > >from the NY Post > >May 24, 2003 > >HOWARD STERN SIDEKICK SECRET SHOCKS LISTENERS: > >I ALMOST STARVED TO DEATH > >By JOHN MAINELLI > >May 24, 2003 — HOWARD Stern sidekick Robin Quivers surprised listeners > yesterday by announcing that her recent dramatic weight loss was the result > of an intestinal condition she feared might kill her. > >"I was dying," Quivers said, reluctant to talk about her illness until > Stern pressed her for details. "I had a big problem. I was in really bad > shape and really thought I was going to die." > >Quivers said she suffered from what she called "inflammatory syndrome" > but described symptoms that fit both Inflammatory Bowel Disease and > Irritable Bowel Syndrome, the precise causes of which are unknown. > >"I didn’t eat, period," she said. "None of my system was working, so my > body wasn’t processing food at all – the food would just lie in my digestive > tract. > >"I was sick as a dog. I was even having heart palpitations," said > Quivers, 50, who lost 60 pounds in the last few months. "I literally could > not move – I was sluggish, full of water, and all my joints were aching." > >Quivers revealed that, at one point, she went 21 days without eating > solid food, subsisting on a liquid concoction recommended by magician David > Blaine. "I thanked David profusely," she said. "I ran into him one day and > said, ‘You saved my life.’ " > >Quivers initially declined to disclose the ingredients in the syrupy, > yellow liquid staffers had seen her drinking. > >After prodding from Stern, she said it was "a very alkaline, acid-base > balance" liquid that included real maple syrup, lemon juice, cayenne pepper > and water. [Ed. - I believe this is the diet Robin used: Stanley Burroughs > Master Cleanser. As usual, be careful, see your doctor before starting any > diet, and I won't be held responsible for any results, good or bad!] > >Quivers, who said she also suffers from hyperthyroidism, said she can now > eat some solid food – but no bread, dairy products, most fruits or raw > vegetables – and averages about a meal a day. > >"I feel great – probably better than I have my entire life," she said. > "But I could easily go back to the sick room any second. I have to stay on a > strict regimen."
Very interesting…thanks for posting. Nora – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->from the NY Post >May 24, 2003 >HOWARD STERN SIDEKICK SECRET SHOCKS LISTENERS: >I ALMOST STARVED TO DEATH >By JOHN MAINELLI >May 24, 2003 — HOWARD Stern sidekick Robin Quivers surprised listeners yesterday by announcing that her recent dramatic weight loss was the result of an intestinal condition she feared might kill her. >"I was dying," Quivers said, reluctant to talk about her illness until Stern pressed her for details. "I had a big problem. I was in really bad shape and really thought I was going to die." >Quivers said she suffered from what she called "inflammatory syndrome" but described symptoms that fit both Inflammatory Bowel Disease and Irritable Bowel Syndrome, the precise causes of which are unknown. >"I didn’t eat, period," she said. "None of my system was working, so my body wasn’t processing food at all – the food would just lie in my digestive tract. >"I was sick as a dog. I was even having heart palpitations," said Quivers, 50, who lost 60 pounds in the last few months. "I literally could not move – I was sluggish, full of water, and all my joints were aching." >Quivers revealed that, at one point, she went 21 days without eating solid food, subsisting on a liquid concoction recommended by magician David Blaine. "I thanked David profusely," she said. "I ran into him one day and said, ‘You saved my life.’ " >Quivers initially declined to disclose the ingredients in the syrupy, yellow liquid staffers had seen her drinking. >After prodding from Stern, she said it was "a very alkaline, acid-base balance" liquid that included real maple syrup, lemon juice, cayenne pepper and water. [Ed. - I believe this is the diet Robin used: Stanley Burroughs Master Cleanser. As usual, be careful, see your doctor before starting any diet, and I won't be held responsible for any results, good or bad!] >Quivers, who said she also suffers from hyperthyroidism, said she can now eat some solid food – but no bread, dairy products, most fruits or raw vegetables – and averages about a meal a day. >"I feel great – probably better than I have my entire life," she said. "But I could easily go back to the sick room any second. I have to stay on a strict regimen."
I don’t trust anything from Howard Stern.
> Very interesting…thanks for posting. Nora >from the NY Post >May 24, 2003 >HOWARD STERN SIDEKICK SECRET SHOCKS LISTENERS: >I ALMOST STARVED TO DEATH >By JOHN MAINELLI >May 24, 2003 — HOWARD Stern sidekick Robin Quivers surprised listeners
yesterday by announcing that her recent dramatic weight loss was the result of an intestinal condition she feared might kill her. >"I was dying," Quivers said, reluctant to talk about her illness until
Stern pressed her for details. "I had a big problem. I was in really bad shape and really thought I was going to die." >Quivers said she suffered from what she called "inflammatory syndrome"
but described symptoms that fit both Inflammatory Bowel Disease and Irritable Bowel Syndrome, the precise causes of which are unknown. >"I didn’t eat, period," she said. "None of my system was working, so my
body wasn’t processing food at all – the food would just lie in my digestive tract. >"I was sick as a dog. I was even having heart palpitations," said
Quivers, 50, who lost 60 pounds in the last few months. "I literally could not move – I was sluggish, full of water, and all my joints were aching." >Quivers revealed that, at one point, she went 21 days without eating
solid food, subsisting on a liquid concoction recommended by magician David Blaine. "I thanked David profusely," she said. "I ran into him one day and said, ‘You saved my life.’ " >Quivers initially declined to disclose the ingredients in the syrupy,
yellow liquid staffers had seen her drinking. >After prodding from Stern, she said it was "a very alkaline, acid-base
balance" liquid that included real maple syrup, lemon juice, cayenne pepper and water. [Ed. - I believe this is the diet Robin used: Stanley Burroughs Master Cleanser. As usual, be careful, see your doctor before starting any diet, and I won't be held responsible for any results, good or bad!] >Quivers, who said she also suffers from hyperthyroidism, said she can now
eat some solid food – but no bread, dairy products, most fruits or raw vegetables – and averages about a meal a day. >"I feel great – probably better than I have my entire life," she said.
"But I could easily go back to the sick room any second. I have to stay on a strict regimen." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
from the NY Post May 24, 2003 HOWARD STERN SIDEKICK SECRET SHOCKS LISTENERS: I ALMOST STARVED TO DEATH By JOHN MAINELLI May 24, 2003 — HOWARD Stern sidekick Robin Quivers surprised listeners yesterday by announcing that her recent dramatic weight loss was the result of an intestinal condition she feared might kill her. "I was dying," Quivers said, reluctant to talk about her illness until Stern pressed her for details. "I had a big problem. I was in really bad shape and really thought I was going to die." Quivers said she suffered from what she called "inflammatory syndrome" but described symptoms that fit both Inflammatory Bowel Disease and Irritable Bowel Syndrome, the precise causes of which are unknown. "I didn’t eat, period," she said. "None of my system was working, so my body wasn’t processing food at all – the food would just lie in my digestive tract. "I was sick as a dog. I was even having heart palpitations," said Quivers, 50, who lost 60 pounds in the last few months. "I literally could not move – I was sluggish, full of water, and all my joints were aching." Quivers revealed that, at one point, she went 21 days without eating solid food, subsisting on a liquid concoction recommended by magician David Blaine. "I thanked David profusely," she said. "I ran into him one day and said, ‘You saved my life.’ " Quivers initially declined to disclose the ingredients in the syrupy, yellow liquid staffers had seen her drinking. After prodding from Stern, she said it was "a very alkaline, acid-base balance" liquid that included real maple syrup, lemon juice, cayenne pepper and water. [Ed. - I believe this is the diet Robin used: Stanley Burroughs Master Cleanser. As usual, be careful, see your doctor before starting any diet, and I won't be held responsible for any results, good or bad!] Quivers, who said she also suffers from hyperthyroidism, said she can now eat some solid food – but no bread, dairy products, most fruits or raw vegetables – and averages about a meal a day. "I feel great – probably better than I have my entire life," she said. "But I could easily go back to the sick room any second. I have to stay on a strict regimen."
Thanks Diana, I never heard of Hashis before. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
You are welcome. Here is a link but there may be better ones out there for this. http://familydoctor.org/handouts/548.html I hate seeing such a young girl go through this stuff. Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks Diana, I never heard of Hashis before. > Loretta > — > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.
> Reisa, you know how sorry I am about the loss of your mother, > What is Hashis disease.
Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis? — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
> Thanks Diana, I never heard of Hashis before.
It’s the most common cause of low thyroid. If you have low thyroid, you may have it. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
> I haven’t gotten this post from Reisa so forgive me please for > piggybacking off you Loretta. I too want to extend my condolences on > your Loss Reisa. I know how close the two of you are and I am sorry > for your pain and sorrow.
<snip> I haven’t gotten the post yet either. My sympathy to your family. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
Me either, my sincerest sympathies to you and yours RK. — Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I haven’t gotten this post from Reisa so forgive me please for > piggybacking off you Loretta. I too want to extend my condolences on > your Loss Reisa. I know how close the two of you are and I am sorry > for your pain and sorrow. ><snip> >I haven’t gotten the post yet either. My sympathy to your family. >– >Type 2 >http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
Diana I have seen people with Goiter but I didnt know it was called Hashimotos disease. Thanks for the link. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
Glad to help a second time <G> Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Diana I have seen people with Goiter but I didnt know it was called > Hashimotos disease. Thanks for the link. > Loretta > — > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.
Glad to help. Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Diana I have seen people with Goiter but I didnt know it was called > Hashimotos disease. Thanks for the link. > Loretta > — > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.
Hey you finally showed up on my server ! :-) all at the same time. You and I talked a while back and though your Momma has passed she is no longer in pain but it sure doesn’t seem to make it any easier on us that are left here. I do care and I am very sorry you are having to go through this sorrow. Diana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > thank you so much diana, i know she’s better off now. > — > — > RK > T1 – 5/00 > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. > : I haven’t gotten this post from Reisa so forgive me please for > : piggybacking off you Loretta. I too want to extend my condolences on > : your Loss Reisa. I know how close the two of you are and I am sorry > : for your pain and sorrow. > : > : Loretta, it is a disease of the thyroid. > : > : Diana > : > Reisa, you know how sorry I am about the loss of your mother, > : > > : > What is Hashis disease. > : > > : > Loretta > : > > : > — > : > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > : > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife > : and > : > terrorism. > : > > : > :
"Hashi’s" is short for Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, also called Chronic thyroiditis; Struma lymphomatosa; Lymphadenoid goiter; Chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis; Autoimmune thyroiditis (from medlineplus encyc.) bj
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Reisa, you know how sorry I am about the loss of your mother, What is Hashis disease. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
I haven’t gotten this post from Reisa so forgive me please for piggybacking off you Loretta. I too want to extend my condolences on your Loss Reisa. I know how close the two of you are and I am sorry for your pain and sorrow. Loretta, it is a disease of the thyroid. Diana
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Reisa, you know how sorry I am about the loss of your mother, > What is Hashis disease. > Loretta > — > In tribute to the United States of America and the State > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism.
>This diet eliminates all snacks. > It’s obvious you haven’t read the diet. This is not true. Even on > phase 1 snacks are required. Don’t slam the diet unless you have > actually looked into it.
I did read the diet. At least I read the link that somebody (Wendy Baker?) provided. I am not slamming the diet. I simply said it would not work for me. And it wouldn’t. I wouldn’t be able to stick to it. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It would be doable for me, only if I were allowed to eat other protein foods >that are not meat! But this diet doesn’t seem to allow such things. At >least not for the first two weeks. > This is not true either. Here is a list of the foods you can eat on > Phase 1: > BEEF Lean cuts, such as: > Sirloin (including ground) > Tenderloin > Top round
Don’t eat any of this except for occasional fround beef. > POULTRY (SKINLESS) > Cornish hen > Turkey bacon (2 slices per day) > Turkey and chicken breast
Eat none of these things except for occasional turkey. > SEAFOOD > All types of fish and shellfish
Eat none of this except for occasional tuna. > PORK > Boiled ham > Canadian bacon > Tenderloin
Don’t eat. > VEAL > Chop > Cutlet, leg > Top round
Don’t eat. > LUNCHMEAT > Fat-free or low-fat only
Don’t eat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> CHEESE (FAT-FREE OR LOW-FAT) > American > Cheddar > Cottage cheese, 1-2% or fat-free > Cream cheese substitute, dairy-free > Feta > Mozzarella > Parmesan > Provolone > Ricotta > String
Don’t eat reduced fat cheese with the exception of 2% cottage. The rest tastes terrible to me and the texture is bad. > NUTS > Peanut butter, 1 tsp > Peanuts, 20 small > Pecan halves, 15 > Pistachios, 30
1 tsp. of peanut butter? Why bother? I could eat the peanuts and pecans, but not much protein in those small amounts. > EGGS > The use of whole eggs is not limited unless otherwise directed by your > doctor. Use egg whites and egg substitute as desired.
Don’t like just the whites of the eggs. > TOFU > Use soft, low-fat or lite varieties
Don’t eat. > VEGETABLES AND LEGUMES > Artichokes
Don’t eat. > Asparagus
Don’t eat. > Beans (black, butter, chickpeas, green, Italian, kidney, lentils, > lima, pigeon, soy, split peas, wax)
Eat some of these. Try to avoid soy. > Broccoli
Don’t eat. > Cabbage
Don’t eat, except tiny amounts in salad. > Cauliflower
Don’t eat except for the occasional piece of raw cauliflower. > Celery > Collard greens
Don’t eat. > Cucumbers
Don’t eat. > Eggplant
Eat only occasionally. But must be drowned in sauce and cheese. > Lettuce (all varieties) > Mushrooms (all varieties)
Don’t eat. > Snow peas
Eat very rarely. > Spinach > Sprouts, alfalfa
Don’t eat. > Turnips
Don’t eat. > Water chestnuts
Don’t eat. > Zucchini
Don’t eat unless in something like lasagna or drowned in Marina sauce. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> FATS > Oil, canola > Oil, olive > SPICES AND SEASONINGS > All spices that contain no added sugar > Broth > Extracts (almond, vanilla, or others) > Horseradish sauce > I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter! Spray > Pepper (black, cayenne, red, white) > SWEET TREATS (LIMIT TO 75 CALORIES PER DAY) > Candies, hard, sugar-free
Don’t eat. > Chocolate powder, no-added-sugar
Don’t eat. > Cocoa powder, baking type
Don’t eat. > Fudgsicles, sugar-free
Don’t eat. > Gelatin, sugar-free
Don’t eat with the exception of an occasional salad type thing. > Gum, sugar-free > Popsicles, sugar-free > Sugar substitute
I no longer have the link to it, but I could swear that it said no dairy in the first two weeks. So as you can see, there wouldn’t be very much for *me* to eat on this diet. For this reason, it would not work for me. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
>It would be doable for me, only if I were allowed to eat other protein foods >that are not meat! But this diet doesn’t seem to allow such things. At >least not for the first two weeks.
This is not true either. Here is a list of the foods you can eat on Phase 1: BEEF Lean cuts, such as: Sirloin (including ground) Tenderloin Top round POULTRY (SKINLESS) Cornish hen Turkey bacon (2 slices per day) Turkey and chicken breast SEAFOOD All types of fish and shellfish PORK Boiled ham Canadian bacon Tenderloin VEAL Chop Cutlet, leg Top round LUNCHMEAT Fat-free or low-fat only CHEESE (FAT-FREE OR LOW-FAT) American Cheddar Cottage cheese, 1-2% or fat-free Cream cheese substitute, dairy-free Feta Mozzarella Parmesan Provolone Ricotta String NUTS Peanut butter, 1 tsp Peanuts, 20 small Pecan halves, 15 Pistachios, 30 EGGS The use of whole eggs is not limited unless otherwise directed by your doctor. Use egg whites and egg substitute as desired. TOFU Use soft, low-fat or lite varieties VEGETABLES AND LEGUMES Artichokes Asparagus Beans (black, butter, chickpeas, green, Italian, kidney, lentils, lima, pigeon, soy, split peas, wax) Broccoli Cabbage Cauliflower Celery Collard greens Cucumbers Eggplant Lettuce (all varieties) Mushrooms (all varieties) Snow peas Spinach Sprouts, alfalfa Turnips Water chestnuts Zucchini FATS Oil, canola Oil, olive SPICES AND SEASONINGS All spices that contain no added sugar Broth Extracts (almond, vanilla, or others) Horseradish sauce I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter! Spray Pepper (black, cayenne, red, white) SWEET TREATS (LIMIT TO 75 CALORIES PER DAY) Candies, hard, sugar-free Chocolate powder, no-added-sugar Cocoa powder, baking type Fudgsicles, sugar-free Gelatin, sugar-free Gum, sugar-free Popsicles, sugar-free Sugar substitute "Live as though there is no tomorrow, Love as though you have never been hurt, Dance as if no one is looking…" Satchel Paige
>This diet eliminates all snacks.
It’s obvious you haven’t read the diet. This is not true. Even on phase 1 snacks are required. Don’t slam the diet unless you have actually looked into it. Dana "Live as though there is no tomorrow, Love as though you have never been hurt, Dance as if no one is looking…" Satchel Paige
> well… how about you read it, study it, then take the info and adapt a new > "diet" for yourself, one that you can live with and try it, see if it helps > some? > actually, the SBD is more of what I eat daily anyhow, which I adapted from > atkins, because thats just TOO low for me.. I still eat about 100-150gm a > day.. few days.. lol like friday I hit 200+ opps. > never can hurt to try..
I see no way I could adapt such a diet for me. If the diet is one I can’t stick with, I won’t stick with it. I am a very picky eater and I simply won’t eat foods that I dislike. Currently, the only problem I have with my BG is morning fasting. This diet eliminates all snacks. Were I to eliminate my bedtime snack, the morning fasting BG would be higher still. I know this because I have tried it. Can’t see how any other parts of this diet would help me. On most days, eating less carbs is not an option for me. I have to be very careful with this not to eat too many, yet if I don’t eat enough I will go hypo if active. Being that it’s summer, I am active most every day. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
> Julie, I didn’t look at the whole SB diet, but I can assure you that no > dairy for two weeks is quite doable, if necessary. I’ve done it now three > times, as a part of a low iodine diet before radioiodine treatment & scans > related to my thyroid cancer treatment & followup. The LID includes a few > other doozies as well. But at least it is only for 2-3 weeks at a time! (if > you really want more on that, see link at www.thyca.org)
It would be doable for me, only if I were allowed to eat other protein foods that are not meat! But this diet doesn’t seem to allow such things. At least not for the first two weeks. If it were necessary for some kind of medical reason, I could do that kind of diet for two weeks, but I would be very hungry the entire time. I just can’t bring myself to eat much meat at all, and certainly not twice a day. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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: > http://www.prevention.com/cda/feature2002/0,4780,5345,00.html : : Thanks! That’s one diet I’d never be able to stick to. No dairy for the : first two weeks? And no more than two beverages with caffeine per day, : ever? No thanks! The first two weeks is mainly meat and vegetables. If I : had to eat meat every day for two weeks and limit myself to whatever few : other things they allow, I’d be VERY hungry! I don’t think I could make : myself eat meat as often as this diet recommends. : : — : Type 2 : http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ : well… how about you read it, study it, then take the info and adapt a new "diet" for yourself, one that you can live with and try it, see if it helps some? actually, the SBD is more of what I eat daily anyhow, which I adapted from atkins, because thats just TOO low for me.. I still eat about 100-150gm a day.. few days.. lol like friday I hit 200+ opps. never can hurt to try.. RK
>Julie, I didn’t look at the whole SB diet, but I can assure you that no >dairy for two weeks is quite doable, if necessary.
Yes it is, I’ve done it before and I am doing it right now. I always tell myself that I can do anything that I can see the end to….this is only two weeks, so the end is in sight. Dana "Live as though there is no tomorrow, Love as though you have never been hurt, Dance as if no one is looking…" Satchel Paige
Julie, I didn’t look at the whole SB diet, but I can assure you that no dairy for two weeks is quite doable, if necessary. I’ve done it now three times, as a part of a low iodine diet before radioiodine treatment & scans related to my thyroid cancer treatment & followup. The LID includes a few other doozies as well. But at least it is only for 2-3 weeks at a time! (if you really want more on that, see link at www.thyca.org) bj
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> http://www.prevention.com/cda/feature2002/0,4780,5345,00.html
Thanks! That’s one diet I’d never be able to stick to. No dairy for the first two weeks? And no more than two beverages with caffeine per day, ever? No thanks! The first two weeks is mainly meat and vegetables. If I had to eat meat every day for two weeks and limit myself to whatever few other things they allow, I’d be VERY hungry! I don’t think I could make myself eat meat as often as this diet recommends. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
> My wife has been on it for a little over two weeks so I have been kinda > following along with her but with some modifications since I am a type 2. I > have to say it seems to have helped me out with the so called dawn effect. > I have always been in the 130 – 160 range when I first tested in the morning > after I woke up. I have tried various snacks and stuff before bed to no > avail. For about the last week and a half I have been in the 100 – 120 > range.
What is different about your eating now? Can you give us a few sample menus? — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
>OK< this suspense is killing me. What is in the diet? How are the carbs, >protein, fats allocated? How much and what can you eat?
http://tinyurl.com/fs8s or http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/65/72554.htm Excerpt: >It started out simply enough. Arthur Agatston, MD, a cardiologist, decided to develop an eating plan that would improve the cholesterol and insulin levels of his patients with heart disease. Now, the South Beach diet has grown into something much bigger. That’s because the plan Agatston created not only improves cholesterol and insulin levels, but it also has helped many people lose weight. >Agatston’s book about his plan, The South Beach Diet: The Delicious, Doctor-Designed, Foolproof Plan for Fast and Healthy Weight Loss, has become a best seller and it appears to be poised to overtake the controversial Atkins diet in popularity.
Dana "Live as though there is no tomorrow, Love as though you have never been hurt, Dance as if no one is looking…" Satchel Paige
http://www.prevention.com/cda/feature2002/0,4780,5345,00.html
: : My wife has been on it for a little over two weeks so I have been kinda : : following along with her but with some modifications since I am a type 2. I : : have to say it seems to have helped me out with the so called dawn effect. : : : I have always been in the 130 – 160 range when I first tested in the morning : : after I woke up. I have tried various snacks and stuff before bed to no : : avail. For about the last week and a half I have been in the 100 – 120 : : range. : : : :> : :> > : :> >Anyone know anything about this diet? : :> > : :> >Dana : :> >"Live as though there is no tomorrow, : :> > Love as though you have never been hurt, : :> > Dance as if no one is looking…" : :> > Satchel Paige : :> : :> : :> no, unfortunately I live to far North. : :> : :> : : : : OK< this suspense is killing me. What is in the diet? How are the carbs, : protein, fats allocated? How much and what can you eat? : : Wendy Baker
: My wife has been on it for a little over two weeks so I have been kinda : following along with her but with some modifications since I am a type 2. I : have to say it seems to have helped me out with the so called dawn effect. : I have always been in the 130 – 160 range when I first tested in the morning : after I woke up. I have tried various snacks and stuff before bed to no : avail. For about the last week and a half I have been in the 100 – 120 : range.
:> :> > :> >Anyone know anything about this diet? :> > :> >Dana :> >"Live as though there is no tomorrow, :> > Love as though you have never been hurt, :> > Dance as if no one is looking…" :> > Satchel Paige :> :> :> no, unfortunately I live to far North. :> :> OK< this suspense is killing me. What is in the diet? How are the carbs, protein, fats allocated? How much and what can you eat? Wendy Baker
>My wife has been on it for a little over two weeks so I have been kinda >following along with her but with some modifications since I am a type 2. I >have to say it seems to have helped me out with the so called dawn effect. >I have always been in the 130 – 160 range when I first tested in the morning >after I woke up. I have tried various snacks and stuff before bed to no >avail. For about the last week and a half I have been in the 100 – 120 >range.
Hmmm…this is encouraging. Dana "Live as though there is no tomorrow, Love as though you have never been hurt, Dance as if no one is looking…" Satchel Paige
My wife has been on it for a little over two weeks so I have been kinda following along with her but with some modifications since I am a type 2. I have to say it seems to have helped me out with the so called dawn effect. I have always been in the 130 – 160 range when I first tested in the morning after I woke up. I have tried various snacks and stuff before bed to no avail. For about the last week and a half I have been in the 100 – 120 range.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Anyone know anything about this diet? >Dana >"Live as though there is no tomorrow, > Love as though you have never been hurt, > Dance as if no one is looking…" > Satchel Paige > no, unfortunately I live to far North.
>Interesting, read a good article on it from Prevention magazine, sound’s >like someone finally >is going to show the world how to eat properly. Doesn’t just restrict you, >teaches you how >to eat normally and make better choices. From what i’ve read, it’s not high >protein & extreme >low carb. Folks should do fairly well on this.
Actually, I decided to give it a go. I started the diet this morning and I will see how I fare on it. I know one thing, its not as complicated or as severe as Atkins. Dana "Live as though there is no tomorrow, Love as though you have never been hurt, Dance as if no one is looking…" Satchel Paige
: : >Interesting, read a good article on it from Prevention magazine, sound’s : >like someone finally : >is going to show the world how to eat properly. Doesn’t just restrict you, : >teaches you how : >to eat normally and make better choices. From what i’ve read, it’s not high : >protein & extreme : >low carb. Folks should do fairly well on this. : : Actually, I decided to give it a go. I started the diet this morning : and I will see how I fare on it. I know one thing, its not as : complicated or as severe as Atkins. : I wish you luck let us know how your doing on it. RK : Dana : "Live as though there is no tomorrow, : Love as though you have never been hurt, : Dance as if no one is looking…" : Satchel Paige
>Isn’t that the one where some bully kicks sand in the food of a 97 pound weakling.
No, it isn’t. Actually, it appears that SBD is giving Atkins some competition. I have been reading up on it and it sounds like a more humane version of Atkins, with easy to follow guidelines. Dana "Live as though there is no tomorrow, Love as though you have never been hurt, Dance as if no one is looking…" Satchel Paige
: : Anyone know anything about this diet? : : Dana : "Live as though there is no tomorrow, : Love as though you have never been hurt, : Dance as if no one is looking…" : Satchel Paige Interesting, read a good article on it from Prevention magazine, sound’s like someone finally is going to show the world how to eat properly. Doesn’t just restrict you, teaches you how to eat normally and make better choices. From what i’ve read, it’s not high protein & extreme low carb. Folks should do fairly well on this. RK T1 -5/00
>Anyone know anything about this diet? >Dana >"Live as though there is no tomorrow, > Love as though you have never been hurt, > Dance as if no one is looking…" > Satchel Paige
no, unfortunately I live to far North.
> Anyone know anything about this diet?
Hmmm… Let’s see. Remembering South Beach fondly, I remember eating lot’s and lot’s of shrimp at sidewalk tables while drinking fruity rum drinks and oggling the nearly naked guys. Loki – oh, you meant for weight loss????
Anything with the word Diet, New, Improved, Scientificaly proven, Dr. Approved. Are not for me! Been there done that for many years. The best so far is just cut the carbs baby. Ira — — Happy moments, praise God Difficult moments, seek God. Quiet moments, worship God. Painful moments, trust God. Every moment, thank God.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anyone know anything about this diet? > Dana > "Live as though there is no tomorrow, > Love as though you have never been hurt, > Dance as if no one is looking…" > Satchel Paige
> Anyone know anything about this diet? > Dana
Isn’t that the one where some bully kicks sand in the food of a 97 pound weakling.
Anyone know anything about this diet? Dana "Live as though there is no tomorrow, Love as though you have never been hurt, Dance as if no one is looking…" Satchel Paige
>Without the Enbrel, living in Whistler would be hell. This is a town that is >all about being physically active, with skiing and snowshoeing in the >winter, and boating, biking and hiking in the summer. If you’ve never heard >of the place check out www.whistler-blackcomb.com . It is a beautiful place.
You live in paradise, that is for sure. Not that I have ever been to Whistler, but I have certainly seen enough pictures. I feel that most of our province is like paradise. It is a beautiful place to live. Glad enbrel allows you to enjoy life. Rose
GO AWAY!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> " Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t!!! I’m now officially depressed and pissed off, both at the > disease and myself for getting my hopes up!! > Rebecca Ford" > You want a cure work for it..
"GO AWAY!" Have you told your arthritis that… We can do more than hope, but we need to band together and push for a cure. If not for yourself than your your kids….
"to see if that miracle has happened for us and to us. " Can’t say I ever seen a miracle on anybody… I have seen some very lucky people, but not what I would call a miracle…
Specialsearcher, I must say your reply to Rebecca was totally insensitive and rude!!! Perhaps in the future if you can’t be supportive or compassionate you would do well to just keep quiet!!! Sheesh!!! Donna G
A story of love and how good life can be. A tale of a home in heaven where exercise is king. Oooh, take care of your dog because he can not stand to see you leave. Harv
> Specialsearcher, I must say your reply to Rebecca was totally > insensitive and rude!!! Perhaps in the future if you can’t be > supportive or compassionate you would do well to just keep quiet!!! > Sheesh!!! > Donna G
LOLOLOL Girls, girls now stop that. LOLOLOL or not. Harv
"Specialsearcher, I must say your reply to Rebecca was totally insensitive and rude!!! Perhaps in the future if you can’t be supportive or compassionate you would do well to just keep quiet!!! Sheesh!!! Donna G" A cure is what I want, but it wont happen unless we push for it. The only one besides us that might benefit from a cure is the insurance industry; even then, only if its cheap probably lol… So its up to us to push for it, dreaming about it wont make it happen.
" Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t!!! I’m now officially depressed and pissed off, both at the disease and myself for getting my hopes up!! Rebecca Ford" You want a cure work for it..
Feel better soon! It’s so discouraging when all symptoms are returning in no time after skipping injections. Nothing makes me realise how much Enbrel actually is helping me more than that. I’ve been off Enbrel for 10 days because of tonsillitis and can’t wait until the injection on Monday. Hope you’ll bounce back quickly. Nina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why do I do this to myself? I’ve been doing fairly well in general, although > I suspect my thyroid is lacking again. But anyway, the RA has been good, so > good that I skipped an Enbrel dose, figuring it’d help my minor sinus > infection. Skipped two more, hoping that maybe I’m finally in that 10% who > have a real remission. Last shot was a week ago Monday morning. I’ve been > dragging energywise yesterday and today. Now my fingers are swelling and > achy and I’m getting that beginning pinprick of pain in my hips and > shoulders. Looks like an injection for dinner if I don’t want to be > completely incapacitated tomorrow. Damn, damn, damn!!!! I was kind of hoping > that with a new home in a new country, starting a new life I could trick my > body into being well. Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t!!! I’m now officially depressed and > pissed off, both at the disease and myself for getting my hopes up!! > Rebecca Ford
"to see if that miracle has happened for us and to us. " Can’t say I ever seen a miracle on anybody… I have seen some very lucky people, but not what I would call a miracle… ****somehow, it doesn’t surprise me that you would say that. kate
"Specialsearcher, I must say your reply to Rebecca was totally insensitive and rude!!! Perhaps in the future if you can’t be supportive or compassionate you would do well to just keep quiet!!! Sheesh!!! Donna G" A cure is what I want, but it wont happen unless we push for it. The only one besides us that might benefit from a cure is the insurance industry; even then, only if its cheap probably lol… So its up to us to push for it, dreaming about it wont make it happen. ****you don’t have a clue! you want a cure for which form of arthritis? your blanket statement shows how clueless you are, as well as, rude and uncaring. somehow, i think you are a troll. kate
> sorry, Harv, but it’s not funny to me…and it’s not a " girls, girls" etc > thing…neither would it be a "boys, boys"…we are all adults. > Comments that do nothing to show support and give encouragement to a person > in pain is not acceptable to me. > donnah
Ok, you have a good point. I see what you are talking about now. Harv
AMEN Donnah!!! I don’t think it’s particularly funny either! I think it is rude and uncalled for. This specialsearcher person has done the same thing on a number of occassions! Donna G
Specialsearcher, that is fine to want a cure—heck, we ALL want a cure, but that still does not give one the right to respond rudely to another. This is, after all, a support group. Supporting one another is what we do and will continue to do until a cure is found!!! I stand by my earlier post that your response to Rebecca was rude and unnecessary!!! Donna G
I was staying out of it as I figured it was a troll and even feeling good, it’s not worth the waste of energy. Really, short of becoming a research scientist or having gobs of money and/or marrying into a pharmaceutical family, I’m not sure what I can do. — Rebecca Ford
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > "Specialsearcher, I must say your reply to Rebecca was totally > insensitive and rude!!! Perhaps in the future if you can’t be > supportive or compassionate you would do well to just keep quiet!!! > Sheesh!!! > Donna G" > A cure is what I want, but it wont happen unless we push for it. The only > one > besides us that might benefit from a cure is the insurance industry; even > then, > only if its cheap probably lol… So its up to us to push for it, dreaming > about it wont make it happen. > ****you don’t have a clue! you want a cure for which form of arthritis? > your blanket statement shows how clueless you are, as well as, rude and > uncaring. somehow, i think you are a troll. > kate
why don’t you identify yourself? your pissy little comments are mean spirited.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "GO AWAY!" > Have you told your arthritis that… > We can do more than hope, but we need to band together and push for a cure. If > not for yourself than your your kids….
sorry, Harv, but it’s not funny to me…and it’s not a " girls, girls" etc thing…neither would it be a "boys, boys"…we are all adults. Comments that do nothing to show support and give encouragement to a person in pain is not acceptable to me. donnah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Specialsearcher, I must say your reply to Rebecca was totally > insensitive and rude!!! Perhaps in the future if you can’t be > supportive or compassionate you would do well to just keep quiet!!! > Sheesh!!! > Donna G > LOLOLOL Girls, girls now stop that. LOLOLOL or not. > Harv
well said Donna. Who the heck is the annonymous searcher and I sure hope he/she finds a cure for a rude and bad attitude quickloy-that would indeed be a miracle. M – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->sorry, Harv, but it’s not funny to me…and it’s not a " girls, girls" etc >thing…neither would it be a "boys, boys"…we are all adults. >Comments that do nothing to show support and give encouragement to a person >in pain is not acceptable to me. >donnah > > Specialsearcher, I must say your reply to Rebecca was totally > > insensitive and rude!!! Perhaps in the future if you can’t be > > supportive or compassionate you would do well to just keep quiet!!! > > Sheesh!!! > > Donna G > LOLOLOL Girls, girls now stop that. LOLOLOL or not. > Harv
Thanks for all the replies. I actually got the shot in in time to stop a major flare from coming on. I’m a little stiff but I wised up in time. I’m lucky I can read my body well enough now to stop the bad pain before it starts. I’m also so damn lucky that the Enbrel kicks in so fast and works so well for me. I want to stay healthy and feeling good because our new town has so much to do and enjoy, and I want to be able to do it all. Without the Enbrel, living in Whistler would be hell. This is a town that is all about being physically active, with skiing and snowshoeing in the winter, and boating, biking and hiking in the summer. If you’ve never heard of the place check out www.whistler-blackcomb.com . It is a beautiful place. If Whistler and Vancouver get the 2010 Olympics you’ll be hearing much more about it. The bike trail system here is amazing. I’ve been going out 2-3 days a week towing my 4 year old behind me for an hour and a half ride. Three days a week I’m still doing water aerobics, although all by myself for now. I just got back from a family bike ride today so I really shouldn’t complain about my health since I am so capable. As far as our house goes, Harv, it’s beautiful. It’s a brand new house with hardwoods, stone and marble floors. We have a lot of exposed beams all done with reclaimed wood. Our top floor has a small den, the master suite and an amazing great room with cathedral ceiling and an enormous stone fireplace with views of the lake and mountains. We’ve got more bedrooms, a playroom and a games room on the other two floors. But the piece de resistance for an arthritic is the steam room in the spa which leads out to the hot tub with views all around. That’s how I’m dealing with any flares– my old little slice of heaven. We’re situated on a small lagoon that leads out to a glacier-fed lake, which does get warm enough for swims in the summer. We just bought a secondhand canoe and have been cruising around on it. Main problem is our golden retriever follows us as we go and doesn’t have the stamina to make it very far. Quite funny to see him swim to shore and proceed to run through all the lakefront yards trying to keep up with us! We’re also hoping to pick up an old laser sailboat or two and help get a small racing club going. All in all, I’ve got a damn good life here with two healthy kids and husband who loves me soI should just consider myself very lucky, RA or not. If anything, the disease is giving me a whole new appreciation for all that I’ve got. And living here will make me want to do as much as I can on the good days. So I’ll quite my griping about not being in a non-medicated remission and just enjoy the good things in life! (But thanks for listening. I knew you’d all understand.) — Rebecca Ford – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why do I do this to myself? I’ve been doing fairly well in general, although > I suspect my thyroid is lacking again. But anyway, the RA has been good, so > good that I skipped an Enbrel dose, figuring it’d help my minor sinus > infection. Skipped two more, hoping that maybe I’m finally in that 10% who > have a real remission. Last shot was a week ago Monday morning. I’ve been > dragging energywise yesterday and today. Now my fingers are swelling and > achy and I’m getting that beginning pinprick of pain in my hips and > shoulders. Looks like an injection for dinner if I don’t want to be > completely incapacitated tomorrow. Damn, damn, damn!!!! I was kind of hoping > that with a new home in a new country, starting a new life I could trick my > body into being well. Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t!!! I’m now officially depressed and > pissed off, both at the disease and myself for getting my hopes up!! > Rebecca Ford > Hi Rebecca, Actually it is very good that you have got this out of the > way. Nearly all of us have at one time or another felt so good that we > thought we could just skip our medicine. Wrong…. I really hope that > your medicine kicks back in again but there is no guaranty that it > will. Our immune system works best with all things remaining constant. > If we are taking our medicine and doing as we should and something > tragic enter our life and our stress levels go way up,,,,a flare could > result. It may not but it could and be understandable. > A move in itself can be very stressful while we do not realize the > stress is taking place and can be happy about it. Please give us an > update on how you are and when you feel like,, tell us all about your > new home. > Harv
(((Rebecca))) Kate’s reply is so true… praying that you feel better soon… donnah
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i’m sorry you are hurting, both physically and emotionally. (((((hugs)))))) > be gentle with and forgive yourself, rebecca. nobody wants these diseases, > the deterioration and the restructuring of our lives that come with them. > everybody wants to believe and needs to believe we might just get the chance > to return to what should be ”normal” and ”comfortable” and ”familiar”. > it is ok to love yourself enough to want that for yourself, rebecca. > sometimes, it is just too irresistable and very human to test the moment, to > see if that miracle has happened for us and to us. unfortunately, that > miracle doesn’t always happen for everybody. but, maybe that’s because > that particular one isn’t the miracle that was intended for each and every > one of us; and maybe that’s because there is a different kind of miracle > that we aren’t looking for, or hoping for, that IS in store for each of > us—something even more important and valuable to each of us, individually, > that is individualized and specific to each of our lives and that we aren’t > aware of just yet. who knows? wishing you’d feel better soon. > kate > Why do I do this to myself? I’ve been doing fairly well in general, although > I suspect my thyroid is lacking again. But anyway, the RA has been good, so > good that I skipped an Enbrel dose, figuring it’d help my minor sinus > infection. Skipped two more, hoping that maybe I’m finally in that 10% who > have a real remission. Last shot was a week ago Monday morning. I’ve been > dragging energywise yesterday and today. Now my fingers are swelling and > achy and I’m getting that beginning pinprick of pain in my hips and > shoulders. Looks like an injection for dinner if I don’t want to be > completely incapacitated tomorrow. Damn, damn, damn!!!! I was kind of hoping > that with a new home in a new country, starting a new life I could trick my > body into being well. Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t!!! I’m now officially depressed and > pissed off, both at the disease and myself for getting my hopes up!! > Rebecca Ford
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why do I do this to myself? I’ve been doing fairly well in general, although > I suspect my thyroid is lacking again. But anyway, the RA has been good, so > good that I skipped an Enbrel dose, figuring it’d help my minor sinus > infection. Skipped two more, hoping that maybe I’m finally in that 10% who > have a real remission. Last shot was a week ago Monday morning. I’ve been > dragging energywise yesterday and today. Now my fingers are swelling and > achy and I’m getting that beginning pinprick of pain in my hips and > shoulders. Looks like an injection for dinner if I don’t want to be > completely incapacitated tomorrow. Damn, damn, damn!!!! I was kind of hoping > that with a new home in a new country, starting a new life I could trick my > body into being well. Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t!!! I’m now officially depressed and > pissed off, both at the disease and myself for getting my hopes up!! > Rebecca Ford
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Why do I do this to myself? I’ve been doing fairly well in general, although > I suspect my thyroid is lacking again. But anyway, the RA has been good, so > good that I skipped an Enbrel dose, figuring it’d help my minor sinus > infection. Skipped two more, hoping that maybe I’m finally in that 10% who > have a real remission. Last shot was a week ago Monday morning. I’ve been > dragging energywise yesterday and today. Now my fingers are swelling and > achy and I’m getting that beginning pinprick of pain in my hips and > shoulders. Looks like an injection for dinner if I don’t want to be > completely incapacitated tomorrow. Damn, damn, damn!!!! I was kind of hoping > that with a new home in a new country, starting a new life I could trick my > body into being well. Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t!!! I’m now officially depressed and > pissed off, both at the disease and myself for getting my hopes up!! > Rebecca Ford
Hi Rebecca, Actually it is very good that you have got this out of the way. Nearly all of us have at one time or another felt so good that we thought we could just skip our medicine. Wrong…. I really hope that your medicine kicks back in again but there is no guaranty that it will. Our immune system works best with all things remaining constant. If we are taking our medicine and doing as we should and something tragic enter our life and our stress levels go way up,,,,a flare could result. It may not but it could and be understandable. A move in itself can be very stressful while we do not realize the stress is taking place and can be happy about it. Please give us an update on how you are and when you feel like,, tell us all about your new home. Harv
i’m sorry you are hurting, both physically and emotionally. (((((hugs)))))) be gentle with and forgive yourself, rebecca. nobody wants these diseases, the deterioration and the restructuring of our lives that come with them. everybody wants to believe and needs to believe we might just get the chance to return to what should be ”normal” and ”comfortable” and ”familiar”. it is ok to love yourself enough to want that for yourself, rebecca. sometimes, it is just too irresistable and very human to test the moment, to see if that miracle has happened for us and to us. unfortunately, that miracle doesn’t always happen for everybody. but, maybe that’s because that particular one isn’t the miracle that was intended for each and every one of us; and maybe that’s because there is a different kind of miracle that we aren’t looking for, or hoping for, that IS in store for each of us—something even more important and valuable to each of us, individually, that is individualized and specific to each of our lives and that we aren’t aware of just yet. who knows? wishing you’d feel better soon. kate
Why do I do this to myself? I’ve been doing fairly well in general, although I suspect my thyroid is lacking again. But anyway, the RA has been good, so good that I skipped an Enbrel dose, figuring it’d help my minor sinus infection. Skipped two more, hoping that maybe I’m finally in that 10% who have a real remission. Last shot was a week ago Monday morning. I’ve been dragging energywise yesterday and today. Now my fingers are swelling and achy and I’m getting that beginning pinprick of pain in my hips and shoulders. Looks like an injection for dinner if I don’t want to be completely incapacitated tomorrow. Damn, damn, damn!!!! I was kind of hoping that with a new home in a new country, starting a new life I could trick my body into being well. Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t!!! I’m now officially depressed and pissed off, both at the disease and myself for getting my hopes up!! Rebecca Ford
Why do I do this to myself? I’ve been doing fairly well in general, although I suspect my thyroid is lacking again. But anyway, the RA has been good, so good that I skipped an Enbrel dose, figuring it’d help my minor sinus infection. Skipped two more, hoping that maybe I’m finally in that 10% who have a real remission. Last shot was a week ago Monday morning. I’ve been dragging energywise yesterday and today. Now my fingers are swelling and achy and I’m getting that beginning pinprick of pain in my hips and shoulders. Looks like an injection for dinner if I don’t want to be completely incapacitated tomorrow. Damn, damn, damn!!!! I was kind of hoping that with a new home in a new country, starting a new life I could trick my body into being well. Sh*t, sh*t, sh*t!!! I’m now officially depressed and pissed off, both at the disease and myself for getting my hopes up!! Rebecca Ford
Now I suppose you want me NOT to ask why you call him Wayne and his name is Johnnie. I will try. sigh eeeeeeeeeennnnnneeennnnnn quack – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > his name is Johnnie but we call him Wayne > — > Cyberhugs, > DianeW
>We played bridge!!!
Bridge? Dont know how to play that game, but I DO own a Cribbage board. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together." Red Green
his name is Johnnie but we call him Wayne — Cyberhugs, DianeW It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. –Antoine de Saint Exup
Duckie, Don’t really understand it all, but sorry you have this. Keep us posted on the follow-up. debbie m. http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, wish for something and sometimes those wishes come true. > Let’s just say that they found three things: inflammation of the > thyroid, cysts, and nodule. > Want to see a PCP freak out — then you should have been in the office > with me today. hehehe She kept saying that with my blood labs, there > was no way all this could be going on. Now where have I heard that > before. She also said having a normal TSH and a low T4 was VERY unusual. > I am sure someone on this group has had just that happen too. Are the > ones on this group that hang around the ones that have everything > unusual, worse than unusual, different, non responsive,…… Or are we > just lucky. > I have been worked in for a Friday appointment with the endocrinologist. > In the mean time here is the paper work results from the ultrasound. > Ultrasound of the thyroid and doppler: > Findings: > Regarding the right thyroid lobe, it is heterogeneous and abnormally > vascular and has a complex cyst in the lower pole measuring 1.3 cm in > length X 1.2 cm across with a depth of 1.1 cm with no vascularity to the > solid part within it. This complex cyst is a larger solid mass, very > vascular measuring 1.5 cm in length and heterogeneous with no anechoic > or shadowing areas with. On transverse view, it measures 1.3 cm across > with length of 1.1 cm. There are two tiny anechoic areas within this > heterogeneous mass but no shadowing foci. > Regarding the left thyroid lobe, it is abnormally vascular in general, > matches the right lobe, and has solid nodule of the lower pole .5 cm in > length X .7 cm across with depth of .5 cm with some increased > vascularity to this nodule. There is also complex cyst if the left pole > of this left thyroid lobe with length measurement of 1 cm and transverse > dimension of 1 with a depth of .6 cm. There is no vascularity to this > complex cyst. The echogenic area in this cyst is not vascular. > Impression: > You are screwed. opps sorry editorial comment there > 1. Bilateral hyperemia of the thyroid lobe consistent with inflammatory > change with complex cysts bilaterally but also a large solid nodule, > very heterogeneous of the right thyroid lobe, and a small hypoechoic, > more clearly defined solid nodule in the left lower pole, question > adenoma for the small one. > Need follow-up of the larger very vascular mass. [no kidding] > Duckie > — > _(‘> > (_<_) > _ > _(‘< -quack > (_<_) > _ > __(‘< *QUACK!* > <_{__) > _(‘< "|,,|_" > (_<_) > _(‘< "AFLAC!" > (_<_)
Call me when you get back from the Endo tomorrow, OK? Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together." Red Green
Yes Mama. Duckie > Call me when you get back from the Endo tomorrow, OK? > Char > "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. > We’re all in this together." Red Green
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Ask your RD to do it. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hmmmmmmm, Carol, that is very interesting to hear! My TSH has always > come back in the normal range, but I have a multinodular thyroid as > well. I had thyroid biopsies done about a year ago after an ultrasound > of the thyroid showed lots of nodules and some of them rather large. > The radiologist is the one who did the biopsies (8 in all! yuk!) under > the guidance of the ultrasound. My pcp and endo both said that as long > as the biopsies were non-cancerous and the TSH was normal, that there > wasn’t anything to worry about. Now I am reading of your guys’ > symptoms and that you both had normal TSH and it makes me wonder. > Don’t know though if I can talk either one into doing the t4 test just > for the heck of it! > Interesting though following this thread!!! > Donna G
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Yep she mention the biopsy possibility. She was so worried and upset — probably because she and the endo had done the TSH [wish I knew whether they had done the T4 before] and since that was normal, I must be okay. Obviously since the ultrasound was abnormal to say the least, there was stuff going on that blood labs just didn’t show them. It was my RD that ordered the full thyroid set. I just love that man. Less than 24 till I see the endo now. I went to my sewing circle today and just those three hours out — I am exhausted. Duckie
…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Did your PCP mention anything about the possibility of the endo > ordering a biopsy? I would bet you’ll have to have one. Although I > don’t think the endo’s do them..I think an ENT doc does the biopsies. > I haven’t had to have one because the synthroid shrunk my nodules or > at least I think it did…it certainly alleviated all the crappy stuff > I had going on! > Keep us posted and good luck at the endo appointment! I really like > my endo…have to have him repeat a lot of things cuz I have trouble > understanding him at times, but he’s always nice about it. He’s very > knowledgeable about everything…a lot more than most docs. When I go > there now, the first thing he asks me is how my RA is doing. I think > that’s funny considering he’s not treating me for that! > Carol
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Hmmmmmmm, Carol, that is very interesting to hear! My TSH has always come back in the normal range, but I have a multinodular thyroid as well. I had thyroid biopsies done about a year ago after an ultrasound of the thyroid showed lots of nodules and some of them rather large. The radiologist is the one who did the biopsies (8 in all! yuk!) under the guidance of the ultrasound. My pcp and endo both said that as long as the biopsies were non-cancerous and the TSH was normal, that there wasn’t anything to worry about. Now I am reading of your guys’ symptoms and that you both had normal TSH and it makes me wonder. Don’t know though if I can talk either one into doing the t4 test just for the heck of it! Interesting though following this thread!!! Donna G
My endo says that if you are having symptoms of hypothyroidism and you have the nodules, you should be treated…even if your TSH is within normal values. He says that what is normal thyroid functioning for one person, may be underactive for another. In other words, some people feel better when their TSH counts are closer to the hyper range. If yours are pretty close to the hypo range (which is a higher number on a TSH) and your T4 is low, that is indicative of hypothyroidism. And I’ll tell you, Donna!! The synthroid made a huge difference for me!! I thanked my endo over and over and over again for helping me. Geezopeet…I felt like total crap!! Are you seeing an endocronologist on a regular basis? You should be having T4 and T3 counts done, along with the TSH. I have thyroid tests done about twice a year to monitor my counts….he orders a TSH and the other two. Also, has anyone ever done a test…can’t remember the name of it….for they autoimmune thyroid diseases…Hashimoto’s. Grave’s Disease is the hyper version. I think I remember reading that people with Hashimotos will sometimes test within the normal ranges on a TSH. I had the test, but mine came out negative for Hashi’s. An untreated underactive thyriod can lead to big problems. People don’t realize how important that thyroid gland is. Hey, wanna come to Sandusky and see my endocronologist? heehee! He’s really nice. Carol
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hmmmmmmm, Carol, that is very interesting to hear! My TSH has always > come back in the normal range, but I have a multinodular thyroid as > well. I had thyroid biopsies done about a year ago after an ultrasound > of the thyroid showed lots of nodules and some of them rather large. > The radiologist is the one who did the biopsies (8 in all! yuk!) under > the guidance of the ultrasound. My pcp and endo both said that as long > as the biopsies were non-cancerous and the TSH was normal, that there > wasn’t anything to worry about. Now I am reading of your guys’ > symptoms and that you both had normal TSH and it makes me wonder. > Don’t know though if I can talk either one into doing the t4 test just > for the heck of it! > Interesting though following this thread!!! > Donna G
Carol, No, I am not seeing an endocrinologist with any regularity at all! I did not care for the one I saw and she seemed like she just never really cared. She only tested for the TSH and said everything is fine, she then ordered the thyroid ultrasound and the biopsies and when that showed no cancer, she basically said I don’t really need to see you any more unless there is a problem. No, have not had any tests for the hashimotos thyroid. I truly have only had the TSH because that’s what the endo here said is all that is needed and that there wasn’t a need for anything else and that there was no problems with my thyroid other than I have a ton of nodules. Well, I think there is a problem, but my pcp also only goes by the TSH also, so there you have it. Don’t laugh Carol, I may very well take you up on your offer to come see your endo. Sandusky really isn’t that far of a drive for me, especially if I only had to do it a couple of times a year, and it might be worth it just to have the full thyroid workup done. Besides, it would give me a good excuse to come meet up with you! LOLOL! Donna G
lol — good luck tomorrow Bruce. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well I get to see my PCP tomorrow; can’t wait to see if he got the letter > from the Rheumy yet. Will be interesting to see if he offers me my pain > medication or if I have to ask for it, This guy is a gem but I may have to > polish him a bit tomorrow or threaten to sick my Rheumy on Him…….that he > would not like! She’s vicious. > Bruce
(((((((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))) and love. keeping you in my prayers. kate
No – I can’t apparently. All I wished for was a simple problem. Figures. I will take those prayers. Friday seems a long way off. Duckie > Good lord, girl!! Cant you do ANYTHING simply? > Prayers coming that these are all benign conditions, and that an extra pill a > day, will take care of the problems. > Please let us know what the Endocrinologist says, ASAP. > Char > "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. > We’re all in this together." Red Green
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That was me who had a normal TSH and low T4!!! And I am usually kinda strange when it comes to my medical stuff! (even had shingles when I was 10 years old!…that’s weird!) I can’t remember exactly what my thyroid ultrasound showed…other than the final diagnosis was "a multinodular goiter". I don’t remember my report being as wordy as yours is. I will tell you though, that a neurologist is the doc who told me my thyroid tests were abnormal because the ratio was off…whatever that meant. (My PCP didn’t think anything was abnormal because the TSH is supposedly a much more accurate test than the T4 of thyroid function) My PCP started me on synthroid immediately after talking with the neurologist and then I had the ultrasound…after that I was referred to the endo. My PCP was also shocked by the ultrasound results and even told me to sit down when he called to tell me. Did your PCP mention anything about the possibility of the endo ordering a biopsy? I would bet you’ll have to have one. Although I don’t think the endo’s do them..I think an ENT doc does the biopsies. I haven’t had to have one because the synthroid shrunk my nodules or at least I think it did…it certainly alleviated all the crappy stuff I had going on! Keep us posted and good luck at the endo appointment! I really like my endo…have to have him repeat a lot of things cuz I have trouble understanding him at times, but he’s always nice about it. He’s very knowledgeable about everything…a lot more than most docs. When I go there now, the first thing he asks me is how my RA is doing. I think that’s funny considering he’s not treating me for that! Carol
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, wish for something and sometimes those wishes come true. > Let’s just say that they found three things: inflammation of the > thyroid, cysts, and nodule. > Want to see a PCP freak out — then you should have been in the office > with me today. hehehe She kept saying that with my blood labs, there > was no way all this could be going on. Now where have I heard that > before. She also said having a normal TSH and a low T4 was VERY unusual. > I am sure someone on this group has had just that happen too. Are the > ones on this group that hang around the ones that have everything > unusual, worse than unusual, different, non responsive,…… Or are we > just lucky. > I have been worked in for a Friday appointment with the endocrinologist. > In the mean time here is the paper work results from the ultrasound. > Ultrasound of the thyroid and doppler: > Findings: > Regarding the right thyroid lobe, it is heterogeneous and abnormally > vascular and has a complex cyst in the lower pole measuring 1.3 cm in > length X 1.2 cm across with a depth of 1.1 cm with no vascularity to the > solid part within it. This complex cyst is a larger solid mass, very > vascular measuring 1.5 cm in length and heterogeneous with no anechoic > or shadowing areas with. On transverse view, it measures 1.3 cm across > with length of 1.1 cm. There are two tiny anechoic areas within this > heterogeneous mass but no shadowing foci. > Regarding the left thyroid lobe, it is abnormally vascular in general, > matches the right lobe, and has solid nodule of the lower pole .5 cm in > length X .7 cm across with depth of .5 cm with some increased > vascularity to this nodule. There is also complex cyst if the left pole > of this left thyroid lobe with length measurement of 1 cm and transverse > dimension of 1 with a depth of .6 cm. There is no vascularity to this > complex cyst. The echogenic area in this cyst is not vascular. > Impression: > You are screwed. opps sorry editorial comment there > 1. Bilateral hyperemia of the thyroid lobe consistent with inflammatory > change with complex cysts bilaterally but also a large solid nodule, > very heterogeneous of the right thyroid lobe, and a small hypoechoic, > more clearly defined solid nodule in the left lower pole, question > adenoma for the small one. > Need follow-up of the larger very vascular mass. [no kidding] > Duckie > — > _(‘> > (_<_) > _ > _(‘< -quack > (_<_) > _ > __(‘< *QUACK!* > <_{__) > _(‘< "|,,|_" > (_<_) > _(‘< "AFLAC!" > (_<_)
Well I get to see my PCP tomorrow; can’t wait to see if he got the letter from the Rheumy yet. Will be interesting to see if he offers me my pain medication or if I have to ask for it, This guy is a gem but I may have to polish him a bit tomorrow or threaten to sick my Rheumy on Him…….that he would not like! She’s vicious. Bruce — Success is not in never falling, but in rising every time you fall
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t understand it either and it took me half an hour to type it in. > LOL Friday can’t come soon enough. > Duckie > Duckie, > Don’t really understand it all, but sorry you have this. Keep us posted on > the follow-up. > debbie m. > http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/
Duckie, Good luck at your appointment on friday. Hope they can sort it all out for you quickly and get you to feeling better as far as the thyroid stuff goes!!! Keep us posted on how it all works out! Donna G
Good luck to you tomorrow Bruce!!! Really keeping my fingers crossed for you. Let us know how it goes! Donna G
I don’t understand it either and it took me half an hour to type it in. LOL Friday can’t come soon enough. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Duckie, > Don’t really understand it all, but sorry you have this. Keep us posted on > the follow-up. > debbie m. > http://www.angelfire.com/ga2/angels1/
Good lord, girl!! Cant you do ANYTHING simply? Prayers coming that these are all benign conditions, and that an extra pill a day, will take care of the problems. Please let us know what the Endocrinologist says, ASAP. Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together." Red Green
No – I can’t apparently. All I wished for was a simple problem. Figures. I will take those prayers. Friday seems a long way off. Duckie > Good lord, girl!! Cant you do ANYTHING simply? > Prayers coming that these are all benign conditions, and that an extra pill a > day, will take care of the problems. > Please let us know what the Endocrinologist says, ASAP. > Char > "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. > We’re all in this together." Red Green
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>Want to see a PCP freak out — then you should have been in the office >with me today. hehehe She kept saying that with my blood labs, there >was no way all this could be going on.
Yucky, double yuck! What is she proposing to do about it? maybe it is time to visit an endrocrinologist (sp?) I have an under – over active thyroid but it has been pretty consistent lately. Why did they want you to go through an ultra sound? Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com
She trotted down the hallway and got on her knees with the endocrinologist begging to work me in this week. They have and it is Friday. They sent me to ultrasound because the T4 came back low even though TSH was normal. And because I whined to my RD that I had a sort of lump thing going on and turtlenecks were annoying it. He ordered the blood labs. I think the PCP saw the results of those and ordered the ultrasound. Updates to follow. Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Want to see a PCP freak out — then you should have been in the office >with me today. hehehe She kept saying that with my blood labs, there >was no way all this could be going on. > Yucky, double yuck! What is she proposing to do about it? maybe it > is time to visit an endrocrinologist (sp?) I have an under – over > active thyroid but it has been pretty consistent lately. Why did they > want you to go through an ultra sound? > Visit my website: > http://www.mzuschlag.com
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Well, wish for something and sometimes those wishes come true. Let’s just say that they found three things: inflammation of the thyroid, cysts, and nodule. Want to see a PCP freak out — then you should have been in the office with me today. hehehe She kept saying that with my blood labs, there was no way all this could be going on. Now where have I heard that before. She also said having a normal TSH and a low T4 was VERY unusual. I am sure someone on this group has had just that happen too. Are the ones on this group that hang around the ones that have everything unusual, worse than unusual, different, non responsive,…… Or are we just lucky. I have been worked in for a Friday appointment with the endocrinologist. In the mean time here is the paper work results from the ultrasound. Ultrasound of the thyroid and doppler: Findings: Regarding the right thyroid lobe, it is heterogeneous and abnormally vascular and has a complex cyst in the lower pole measuring 1.3 cm in length X 1.2 cm across with a depth of 1.1 cm with no vascularity to the solid part within it. This complex cyst is a larger solid mass, very vascular measuring 1.5 cm in length and heterogeneous with no anechoic or shadowing areas with. On transverse view, it measures 1.3 cm across with length of 1.1 cm. There are two tiny anechoic areas within this heterogeneous mass but no shadowing foci. Regarding the left thyroid lobe, it is abnormally vascular in general, matches the right lobe, and has solid nodule of the lower pole .5 cm in length X .7 cm across with depth of .5 cm with some increased vascularity to this nodule. There is also complex cyst if the left pole of this left thyroid lobe with length measurement of 1 cm and transverse dimension of 1 with a depth of .6 cm. There is no vascularity to this complex cyst. The echogenic area in this cyst is not vascular. Impression: You are screwed. opps sorry editorial comment there 1. Bilateral hyperemia of the thyroid lobe consistent with inflammatory change with complex cysts bilaterally but also a large solid nodule, very heterogeneous of the right thyroid lobe, and a small hypoechoic, more clearly defined solid nodule in the left lower pole, question adenoma for the small one. Need follow-up of the larger very vascular mass. [no kidding] Duckie — _(‘> (_<_) _ _(‘< -quack (_<_) _ __(‘< *QUACK!* <_{__) _(‘< "|,,|_" (_<_) _(‘< "AFLAC!" (_<_)
Ken that was a good article on Osteoporosis. I had been on Heparin due to a clotting disorder that 3% of all Chron’s patients can develop. I was fracturing bones all the time, so we did a bone biopsy and found that the bone chip was full of Heparin,and I ended up with Osteoporosis. I’m now back on Coumadin IV-push. Also, I wanted to tell all of you, if you have had your colon removed make sure you drink at least 10-12 full glasses of water daily. I developed kidney stones, as soon as I had taken my colon out. Your large intestine primarily holds 1-2 cups of water, and was functioning to flush the kidneys. Without it, you need to do it on your own by forcing fluid through the kidneys. Believe me, you’ll be sorry if you dont. Stones hurt like —-! Angelj1001
Angelj1001 wrote : > < >I had been on Heparin due to a clotting disorder that 3% of all Chron’s > patients can develop. < >
Could you tell us more about this clotting disorder? Thanks. Robert Silver
Fosamax is not a good calsium vitiam to take when you have crohns it can give more problem with the stomach irritation there is a proven fact about this. love, your friend krissy
Thats good to know!! thanks….never heard of Fosomax being a calcium vitamin….Fosomax from my understanding is a drug and like most drugs there is a side effect to them…Personally though i just makke sure i am getting all my vitamins and minerals and i have done excellent by this…
Fosamax is not a good calsium vitiam to take when you have crohns it can give more problem with the stomach irritation there is a proven fact about this. love, your friend krissy
I have osteoporosis and all the broken bones to prove it. Fosomax can be an irritant to your stomach if not taken properly, but when taken properly can really help keep the disease from getting worse. Some people, like me, have real problems with this disease. I am lactose intolerant, I have had a hysterectomy(which means no hormones naturally which help against bone loss in women), I lost my large intestine 10 years ago to cancer which makes vitamin absorbsion very difficult. All of this together means I need all the help I can get. With all my broken bones especially in my left leg, I find exercise which does help very hard and smetimes impossible. Please keep an open mind about certain medications and vitamins, because sometimes there are the only alternative. Thanks for letting me lecture. tee-hee! Love with hugs & kisses Susan
Osteoporosis is an epidemic nutritional deficiency in the United states!There are more than 25 million Americans who have osteoporosis,and the cost to the economy of the United States is about 14 billion dollars.At least 1.2 billion fractures occur each year in the US as a direct result of osteoporosis. Calcium is an essential nutrient in the fight against osteoporosis.Calcium should be taken in supplementation at a level of 800 to 1500 mg daily. Magnesium is important in several biochemical reactions that take place within the bone.Alkaline phosphatase,which is an enzyme that is required in the process of forming new bone crystals, is activated by magnesium.Vitamin D needs magnesium to convert it to its most active form. Vitamin K is required to synthesize osteocalcin, a protein found in large amounts within the bone.It is therefore critical in bone formation,remodeling, and repair. Vitamin D is necessary for the absorption of calcium. Manganese is necessary for the synthesis of connective tissue in cartilage and bone. Folic Acid, Vitamin B6, and Vitamin B12 cause Homocysteine is not only bad for your blood vessels,but it is also bad for your bones. Boron when given in supplementation, the urinary excretion of calcium decreases by some 40%.Also there is a significant increase in 17 beta-estradiol,which is the most biologically active form of human estrogen. Silicon is important in its ability to strengthen the connective tissue matrix by cross-linking collagen strands. Zinc is essential for the normal functioning of Vitamin D.
Thanks for this, Ken. A couple of things I’ve read too. – weight bearing exercise is esstential for maintaining bone mass – steroids can reduce bone mass even with short course of treatment – suppliments and exercise are good ways to maintain bone mass, but don’t always rebuild it – there are medications that can help build bone mass (one is called Fosamax and I have a research paper about it on my home page — the URL is below) — Jason Smith Coping with IBD? Me too! – check out http://www.passport.ca/~pax —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—
Hills do not add more weight to your body, but they make you lift it more! Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that you > weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight bearing > because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have one > foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and use > different muscles but that’s about all. > Debs >Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in general. I >would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down hills is >very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the >activity. >Regards, >Jeff 2 >>>My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the >>>prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been >>>taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this? >>Yes, you can take Fosamax,or calcitonin (sp?). Talk to your doctor about >> it. If you don’t get a lot of sun you should also take vitamin D. >>Wieght bearing exercise is also important. Walking, or jogging, and >>light weightlifting are good choices. Talk to the doc. before you start >>any heavy weightlifting, or contact sports, you may be at risk for >>fractures. Also check out the website: http://www.fore.org/ >>for more info. >>Chris
> Thanks for you suggestions and for the emails. I am taking 10 150 mg > capsules of Calcium. I will ask my doctor about fosamax. I didnt > know that excercise would help. I guess this will be a good time to > start a program. I am really quite out of shape.
Time to start walking then! You may even find that exercise helps your other IBD symptoms as well. I say find an exercise buddy and start out with reasonable goals. Say walk a half hour three times per week. Then try to build up from there. I belong to a gym and I see a lot of people that say they will exercise 6 times per week for an hour each day. They almost alway quit within a couple weeks. Chris
Thank you that is what I was trying to say but no conveying too well! Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hills do not add more weight to your body, but they make you lift it more! > Chris > Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that you > weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight bearing > because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have one > foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and use > different muscles but that’s about all. > Debs >>Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in general. I >>would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down hills is >>very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the >>activity. >>Regards, >>Jeff 2 >>>>My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the >>>>prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been >>>>taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this? >>>Yes, you can take Fosamax,or calcitonin (sp?). Talk to your doctor about >>> it. If you don’t get a lot of sun you should also take vitamin D. >>>Wieght bearing exercise is also important. Walking, or jogging, and >>>light weightlifting are good choices. Talk to the doc. before you start >>>any heavy weightlifting, or contact sports, you may be at risk for >>>fractures. Also check out the website: http://www.fore.org/ >>>for more info. >>>Chris
Yes, you are lifting your weight, that means weight lifting, which means weight bearing. 
Another factor which applies to all walking whether flat or hilly terrain is that when you walk your body creates an electrical current. This current has been studied and I have read that it has been credited with the bones to "grow". Also I believe that the heat generated plays a part as well. Regards, Jeff 2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thank you that is what I was trying to say but no conveying too well! > Debs > Hills do not add more weight to your body, but they make you lift it more! > Chris > > Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that you > > weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight bearing > > because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have one > > foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and use > > different muscles but that’s about all. > > Debs > >>Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in general. I > >>would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down hills is > >>very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the > >>activity. > >>Regards, > >>Jeff 2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >>>>My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the > >>>>prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been > >>>>taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this? > >>>Yes, you can take Fosamax,or calcitonin (sp?). Talk to your doctor about > >>> it. If you don’t get a lot of sun you should also take vitamin D. > >>>Wieght bearing exercise is also important. Walking, or jogging, and > >>>light weightlifting are good choices. Talk to the doc. before you start > >>>any heavy weightlifting, or contact sports, you may be at risk for > >>>fractures. Also check out the website: http://www.fore.org/ > >>>for more info. > >>>Chris
If you take a hill and carve out a flat place to step for each step then you have stairs. Stairs are simply a hill with a flat spot that you step on instead of an inclined spot that you step on. Hope this helps. Jeff2 – who used to be a big fan of Mr Wizard.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When you walk up a hill you always have one foot on the ground, part of the > definition of walking. Force and weight are two different things. I stand by > that. Walking up a hill and up stairs are NOT the same thing. I have said the > forces are different based on incline and that you use different muscles but > the weight is the same. weight = mass x gravity. > Debs > When you go up a hill or up a stair you are lifting that weight. This does > not happen on a flat surface. > Try going up 10 flights of stairs and then tell me you did not lift weights. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > > But extra stress is not extra weight. IIRC weight= mass x gravity and your > mass > > is the same and the gravity is the same on an incline and a flat road. > Stress > > is another situation. > > Debs > > > Wow you sound just like my physical therapist after surgery! That’s > > > exactly what they told me and that I had to be careful about to prevent > bone > > > stress fractures until my body got stonger and healed. UM MOM Susan > > > > >> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in > > > general. I > > > > >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down > > > hills is > > > > >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to > the > > > > >> activity. > > > > >> Regards, > > > > >> Jeff 2 > > > > >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying > that > > > you > > > > >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight > > > bearing > > > > >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always > have > > > one > > > > >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk > and > > > use > > > > >different muscles but that’s about all. > > > > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > > > > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > > > > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > > > > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > > > > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > > > > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > > > > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > > > > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > > > > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > > > > the weight. > > > > — > > > > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > > > > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > > > > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
Deb – try examining the dynamics of going up a hill closer. I have studied movement for many years and it is clear that when going up a hill you have to lift your body up with each step. See which muscles are used next time you climb a hill. You will notice your quads and gluts are working harder. You may need to climb a bit to notice this but I am sure you will discover this to be correct. Thanks, Jeff 2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When you walk up a hill you always have one foot on the ground, part of the > definition of walking. Force and weight are two different things. I stand by > that. Walking up a hill and up stairs are NOT the same thing. I have said the > forces are different based on incline and that you use different muscles but > the weight is the same. weight = mass x gravity. > Debs > When you go up a hill or up a stair you are lifting that weight. This does > not happen on a flat surface. > Try going up 10 flights of stairs and then tell me you did not lift weights. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > > But extra stress is not extra weight. IIRC weight= mass x gravity and your > mass > > is the same and the gravity is the same on an incline and a flat road. > Stress > > is another situation. > > Debs > > > Wow you sound just like my physical therapist after surgery! That’s > > > exactly what they told me and that I had to be careful about to prevent > bone > > > stress fractures until my body got stonger and healed. UM MOM Susan > > > > >> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in > > > general. I > > > > >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down > > > hills is > > > > >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to > the > > > > >> activity. > > > > >> Regards, > > > > >> Jeff 2 > > > > >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying > that > > > you > > > > >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight > > > bearing > > > > >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always > have > > > one > > > > >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk > and > > > use > > > > >different muscles but that’s about all. > > > > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > > > > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > > > > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > > > > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > > > > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > > > > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > > > > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > > > > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > > > > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > > > > the weight. > > > > — > > > > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > > > > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > > > > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
OK, walk up Beacon Hill and see if your thighs don’t feel the burn. Your front leg has to push up when you go up a hill. Climbing a hill is almost the same as climbing stairs. When you climb stairs one foot is always on the ground, unless you can fly, so when you say one foot is on the ground that is not a valid arguement – IMHO. When you move 150 lbs up 100 feet then you have lifted weight whether up stairs or whatever level incline. Moving in a horizontal direction does not lift as much weight although there is some lifting due to the fact that you are supporting the weight of your body during each transition of weight shift. As you walk, the weight shifts from one leg to the other and so you are supporting the weight of your body on one leg which by itself is weight bearing. And no – it is not weight =mass x gravity, it is force = mass x gravity or the force to "lift you up an incline" is equal to the mass times gravity. So "force" is the operable factor. Did you study physics? Going up an inclined plane requires force. The more you weigh the more the force. The higher the incline the more the force. If both weight and incline are increased then the force required is all the more greater. Thanks, Jeff 2 – physics master.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When you walk up a hill you always have one foot on the ground, part of the > definition of walking. Force and weight are two different things. I stand by > that. Walking up a hill and up stairs are NOT the same thing. I have said the > forces are different based on incline and that you use different muscles but > the weight is the same. weight = mass x gravity. > Debs > When you go up a hill or up a stair you are lifting that weight. This does > not happen on a flat surface. > Try going up 10 flights of stairs and then tell me you did not lift weights. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > > But extra stress is not extra weight. IIRC weight= mass x gravity and your > mass > > is the same and the gravity is the same on an incline and a flat road. > Stress > > is another situation. > > Debs > > > Wow you sound just like my physical therapist after surgery! That’s > > > exactly what they told me and that I had to be careful about to prevent > bone > > > stress fractures until my body got stonger and healed. UM MOM Susan > > > > >> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in > > > general. I > > > > >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down > > > hills is > > > > >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to > the > > > > >> activity. > > > > >> Regards, > > > > >> Jeff 2 > > > > >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying > that > > > you > > > > >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight > > > bearing > > > > >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always > have > > > one > > > > >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk > and > > > use > > > > >different muscles but that’s about all. > > > > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > > > > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > > > > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > > > > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > > > > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > > > > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > > > > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > > > > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > > > > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > > > > the weight. > > > > — > > > > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > > > > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > > > > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
When you walk up a hill you always have one foot on the ground, part of the definition of walking. Force and weight are two different things. I stand by that. Walking up a hill and up stairs are NOT the same thing. I have said the forces are different based on incline and that you use different muscles but the weight is the same. weight = mass x gravity. Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > When you go up a hill or up a stair you are lifting that weight. This does > not happen on a flat surface. > Try going up 10 flights of stairs and then tell me you did not lift weights. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > But extra stress is not extra weight. IIRC weight= mass x gravity and your > mass > is the same and the gravity is the same on an incline and a flat road. > Stress > is another situation. > Debs > > Wow you sound just like my physical therapist after surgery! That’s > > exactly what they told me and that I had to be careful about to prevent > bone > > stress fractures until my body got stonger and healed. UM MOM Susan > > > >> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in > > general. I > > > >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down > > hills is > > > >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to > the > > > >> activity. > > > >> Regards, > > > >> Jeff 2 > > > >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying > that > > you > > > >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight > > bearing > > > >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always > have > > one > > > >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk > and > > use > > > >different muscles but that’s about all. > > > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > > > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > > > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > > > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > > > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > > > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > > > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > > > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > > > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > > > the weight. > > > — > > > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > > > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > > > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
Chris – good explanation. I used to do a lot of Tai Chi and they have many weight bearing exercises that involve low stances and they also incorporate twisting motions which use all of the leg muscles and affect the bones by exerting the stress from different angles. My old Tai Chi master used to say that Tai Chi makes the bones heavier. This was 20 years ago – way before "science" validated that weight bearing exercise increased bond density. Just another example of how science is rapidlly catching up with what people have known for many (hundreds of) years. :-o Thanks, Jeff 2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in general. I >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down hills is >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the >> activity. >> Regards, >> Jeff 2 >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that you >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight bearing >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have one >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and use >different muscles but that’s about all. > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > the weight. > — > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
When you go up a hill or up a stair you are lifting that weight. This does not happen on a flat surface. Try going up 10 flights of stairs and then tell me you did not lift weights. Regards, Jeff 2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> But extra stress is not extra weight. IIRC weight= mass x gravity and your mass > is the same and the gravity is the same on an incline and a flat road. Stress > is another situation. > Debs > Wow you sound just like my physical therapist after surgery! That’s > exactly what they told me and that I had to be careful about to prevent bone > stress fractures until my body got stonger and healed. UM MOM Susan > > >> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in > general. I > > >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down > hills is > > >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the > > >> activity. > > >> Regards, > > >> Jeff 2 > > >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that > you > > >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight > bearing > > >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have > one > > >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and > use > > >different muscles but that’s about all. > > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > > the weight. > > — > > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
Thanks for you suggestions and for the emails. I am taking 10 150 mg capsules of Calcium. I will ask my doctor about fosamax. I didnt know that excercise would help. I guess this will be a good time to start a program. I am really quite out of shape.
Exactly, walking up stairs is like walking up a hill. You use your quads and gluts much more. And walking down uses other muscles. Debs – I thought you lived in Beacon Hill and therefore should know this. Jeff 2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in general. I >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down hills is >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the >> activity. >> Regards, >> Jeff 2 >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that you >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight bearing >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have one >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and use >different muscles but that’s about all. > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > the weight. > — > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
Wow you sound just like my physical therapist after surgery! That’s exactly what they told me and that I had to be careful about to prevent bone stress fractures until my body got stonger and healed. UM MOM Susan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in general. I >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down hills is >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the >> activity. >> Regards, >> Jeff 2 >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that you >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight bearing >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have one >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and use >different muscles but that’s about all. > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > the weight. > — > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
But extra stress is not extra weight. IIRC weight= mass x gravity and your mass is the same and the gravity is the same on an incline and a flat road. Stress is another situation. Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Wow you sound just like my physical therapist after surgery! That’s > exactly what they told me and that I had to be careful about to prevent bone > stress fractures until my body got stonger and healed. UM MOM Susan > >> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in > general. I > >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down > hills is > >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the > >> activity. > >> Regards, > >> Jeff 2 > >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that > you > >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight > bearing > >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have > one > >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and > use > >different muscles but that’s about all. > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > the weight. > — > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
Good point didn’t look at it this way! oops! :-) UM MOM Susan
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> But extra stress is not extra weight. IIRC weight= mass x gravity and your mass > is the same and the gravity is the same on an incline and a flat road. Stress > is another situation. > Debs > Wow you sound just like my physical therapist after surgery! That’s > exactly what they told me and that I had to be careful about to prevent bone > stress fractures until my body got stonger and healed. UM MOM Susan > > >> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in > general. I > > >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down > hills is > > >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the > > >> activity. > > >> Regards, > > >> Jeff 2 > > >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that > you > > >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight > bearing > > >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have > one > > >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and > use > > >different muscles but that’s about all. > > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > > the weight. > > — > > School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics > > Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK > > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in > general. I > > >> would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down > hills is > > >> very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the > > >> activity. > > >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that > you > > >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight > bearing > > >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have > one > > >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and > use > > >different muscles but that’s about all. > > Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on > > the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards > > using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress > > on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, > > and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight > > bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing > > on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on > > the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these > > lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting > > the weight. > Wow you sound just like my physical therapist after surgery! That’s > exactly what they told me and that I had to be careful about to prevent bone > stress fractures until my body got stonger and healed. UM MOM Susan >But extra stress is not extra weight. IIRC weight= mass x gravity and your mass >is the same and the gravity is the same on an incline and a flat road. Stress >is another situation.
What we’re talking about is weight-bearing exercise intended to strengthen bones. What matters is the force exerted on the bone. Weight-bearing exercise is just a convenient way of imparting large forces to the bones, and in that context walking up and down hills exerts *much* more stressing force on the bones than walking on the flat. — School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
>> Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in general. I > would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down hills is > very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the > activity. > Regards, > Jeff 2 >Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that you >weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight bearing >because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have one >foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and use >different muscles but that’s about all.
Nonsense. Your weight is taken on almost straight legs when walking on the flat. Walking up hill means you have to lever your weight upwards using knee and gluteus. This extra muscular effort throws extra stress on the bones concerned. Walking down hill stresses different muscles, and stresses the bones in a different way. The leverage of weight bearing muscles puts far more stress on the bones than simple standing on a nearly straight leg, because of the lever moments. The forces on the bones don’t simply relate to your weight at all because of these lever moments, which can exert much larger bending forces in lifting the weight. — School of Artificial Intelligence, Division of Informatics Edinburgh University, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/daidb/people/homes/cam/ ] DoD #205
Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in general. I would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down hills is very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the activity. Regards, Jeff 2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the > prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been > taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this? > Yes, you can take Fosamax,or calcitonin (sp?). Talk to your doctor about > it. If you don’t get a lot of sun you should also take vitamin D. > Wieght bearing exercise is also important. Walking, or jogging, and > light weightlifting are good choices. Talk to the doc. before you start > any heavy weightlifting, or contact sports, you may be at risk for > fractures. Also check out the website: http://www.fore.org/ > for more info. > Chris
Hills do NOT add ‘more weight bearing’. That would be like saying that you weigh more when walking on hills. Running or jumping increase weight bearing because you have to bear your WHOLE weight. When you walk you always have one foot on the ground. Hills add more of an aerobic aspect to the walk and use different muscles but that’s about all. Debs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Good point, weight bearing exercise is important or exercise in general. I > would start out slowly. Walking and especially walking up and down hills is > very good. The hills will add more of the weight bearing aspect to the > activity. > Regards, > Jeff 2 > > My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the > > prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been > > taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this? > Yes, you can take Fosamax,or calcitonin (sp?). Talk to your doctor about > it. If you don’t get a lot of sun you should also take vitamin D. > Wieght bearing exercise is also important. Walking, or jogging, and > light weightlifting are good choices. Talk to the doc. before you start > any heavy weightlifting, or contact sports, you may be at risk for > fractures. Also check out the website: http://www.fore.org/ > for more info. > Chris
My calcium supplement also has D in it…I agree with Jeff..it took me a long time to find a calcium supplement I could tolerate… If you don’t have access to a gym or weights or other such equipment, try using those stretchy bands that you hook on a door frame…they provide good resistance exercise….I have small hand held weights in sizes from 1-5 pounds and there are a lot of exercises you can do with them as well ..small curls, etc. I also have one of those exercise balls…got it while in phys ther after I threw out my back..good for strengthening the abs, which in turn tones the lower back … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Good points, I agree. You need vitamin D as well to help utilize the >calcium. Calcium is used for energy as well as for helping bone structure. >The process that turns food into energy is called the Krebs Cycle. This >needs calcium in order to function. Check it out on the web if you want to >find out more. >Regards, >Jeff2 > > My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the > > prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been > > taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this? > Yes, you can take Fosamax,or calcitonin (sp?). Talk to your doctor about > it. If you don’t get a lot of sun you should also take vitamin D. > Wieght bearing exercise is also important. Walking, or jogging, and > light weightlifting are good choices. Talk to the doc. before you start > any heavy weightlifting, or contact sports, you may be at risk for > fractures. Also check out the website: http://www.fore.org/ > for more info. > Chris
Good points, I agree. You need vitamin D as well to help utilize the calcium. Calcium is used for energy as well as for helping bone structure. The process that turns food into energy is called the Krebs Cycle. This needs calcium in order to function. Check it out on the web if you want to find out more. Regards, Jeff2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the > prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been > taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this? > Yes, you can take Fosamax,or calcitonin (sp?). Talk to your doctor about > it. If you don’t get a lot of sun you should also take vitamin D. > Wieght bearing exercise is also important. Walking, or jogging, and > light weightlifting are good choices. Talk to the doc. before you start > any heavy weightlifting, or contact sports, you may be at risk for > fractures. Also check out the website: http://www.fore.org/ > for more info. > Chris
My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this?
Yes, I take Fosamax, 1 tab each week along with daily calcium. Fosamax is a prescription medication. Tom
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the > prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been > taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this?
> My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the > prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been > taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this?
Yes, you can take Fosamax,or calcitonin (sp?). Talk to your doctor about it. If you don’t get a lot of sun you should also take vitamin D. Wieght bearing exercise is also important. Walking, or jogging, and light weightlifting are good choices. Talk to the doc. before you start any heavy weightlifting, or contact sports, you may be at risk for fractures. Also check out the website: http://www.fore.org/ for more info. Chris
Depends what type of calcium you are taking. Calcium is very hard to absorb unless taken in the right combination with other nutrients. You need to have the proper balance of calcium and magnesium. I take a product called Calcium +. This has the proper balance of nutrients so that you can absorb the calcium. This product is by Rainbow Light. Check out your local health food store. Pred is definitely known to deplete calcium. I’m surprised that your doctor did not tell you this from the start. It is listed on the label even. Good luck and let me know if you need more information. Regards, Jeff 2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My gi called me today to let me know I have osteoporosis from the > prednisone. She told me to start taking calcium. However I have been > taking calcium for months. Is anyone on any medication for this?
Are you still recommeding Ca for your patients. There is a test that checks the intracellular Ca and Mg..IntraCelluar Diagnostics in Foster City, CA. When we check our patients there is usually far too much calcium and too low magnesium. I certainly agree with the other supplements.
1. Predisposing factors a. Diets high in refined carbohydrated and hydrogenated fats and oils b. Excessive use of alcohol and/or tobacco c. Obesity d. Genetic predisposition (small, thin boned females) e. Excessive use of aluminum containing antacids f. Primary calcium, magnesium, Vitamin K or manganese insufficiency or insufficiency due to hypochlorhydria (low stomach acid) g. Endocrine dysfunction (thyroid, parathyroid) h. Lack of exercise 2. Dietary suggestions a. Eliminate all refined carbohydrates and tobacco b. Limit alcohol, processed foods and caffeine containing foods such as coffee, tea, cola and chocolate c. Eliminate all hydrogenated fats and oils. Increse raw and fresh oils, especially Extra Virgin Olive Oil d. Increse raw foods and quality protein e. Exercise moderately and increase as stamina increases do not become fatigued f. Drink at least 8 full glasses of pure water a day, no chlorine or fluoride Supplemental Support Vitamin C, Boron, Silica, Calcium Magnesium . Contact me for others
SUGGEST YOU GET OFF OF "ALL" DAIRY PRODUCTS YOU GET "INORGANIC CALCIUM VEGETABLES HAVE SUFFICIENT AND ORGANIC FORMS OF CALCIUM WHICH THE BODY USES GOOD LUCK
> SUGGEST YOU GET OFF OF "ALL" DAIRY PRODUCTS YOU GET "INORGANIC CALCIUM > VEGETABLES HAVE SUFFICIENT AND ORGANIC FORMS OF CALCIUM WHICH THE BODY > USES GOOD LUCK
Good luck trying to get the RDA for calcium through consumption of vegetables alone. There’s about 28mg of calcium in a half cup of spinach (one of the better vegetable sources of calcium). For a woman to get 1000 mg of calcium, she would have to eat 36 servings of spinach each day. Of course there’s brocolli with 21mg of calcium in a half cup serving which would require 48 servings. Now consider that only 9% of the US population consumes 5 or more servings of fruit and vegetables each day. For those interested… Suggested "Optimal Clacium Intake" (OCI) from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) Consensus Development Conference on Optimal Calcium Intake, held June 6-8, 1994, in Washington, D.C., OCI from the NIH conference / OCI from current RDA Children Birth-6 mos. 400 mg. / 400 mg. 6 mos.-1 year 600 mg. / 600 mg. 1-10 years 800 mg. / 800 mg. Teenagers 1,200-1,500 mg. / 1,200 mg. Women 25-50 years 1000 mg. / 800 mg. over 50 w/estrogen 1000 mg. / 800 mg. Over 50 w/o estrogen 1,500 mg. / 800 mg. Pregnant & nursing Additional 400 mg. / 1,200 mg. Men 25-50 years 800 mg. / 800 mg. 51-65 years 1,000 mg. / 800 mg. over 65 years 1,500 mg. / 800 mg. Jeff Johnson, MS P.S. – STOP SHOUTING!
Go to; http://www.highfiber.com/~laser This is the site of Dr Van Wormer. I work with him through the hospital. I do not work for him directly, so this is in no way advertising his practice. The site actually has to do with his other specialty, but he is a good resource for info on Fosamax because the company sposored a program he gave on Osteoporosis, he has implemented a comprehensive program to treat osteoporosis in our very small community which includes bone density studies per CAT scan. I did go to the program he presented last month on Osteoporosis and the newest drug regimes for the treatment of it. Fosamax is one of the most current and exciting drug used but is the only one which actually increase bone density. I learned that there is an ideal time for women to start taking Fosomax based on their risk factors and age proximal to menopause in order to prevent the inevitable decrease in bone density. This time last year we RNs started seeing this medicine on patients medications lists and knew nothing about it, it wasn’t even in the PDR then. This year it is prescribed more.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tyndall) writes: >Can Topical Progesterone Eliminate Osteoporosis? >** >by E.W. McDonagh, D.O. >* >The Estrogen Myth >** >For more than 50 years, medicine has believed that lack of estrogen >was the primary cause of osteoporosis. Even today, medical students >are taught that the proper treament is estrogen replacement therapy. >Estrogen does, in fact inhibit the osteoblast cells that function to >resorb bone and as a result can slow the rate of bone loss. But >estrogen alone cannot rebuild bone. Progesterone rebuilds bone by >stimulating the osteoblast cells that re-mineralize and restore bone >mass. Transdermal progesterone does this with virtually no side >effects.
Please note, everybody, that this statement is being promulgated with absolutely no reference. I personally think it is boloney. However, always willing to learn, I’d be glad to review any published peer reviewed clinical trial in human beings which suggests that what is said above is so. Not a letter to some journal claiming something– I want to see a fully documented human trial. >Use of estrogen without the balance of progesterone is fraught with >side effects: hypertension is one example. Also, salt and water >retension, increase in blood clotting, promotion of fat synthesis, >hypothyroidism, painful breasts, fibrocystic breast disease, increased >risk of gallbladder disease and gallstones, liver dysfunction, >increased risk of endometrial cancer of the uterus, pituitary >prolactinoma tumor and probably breast cancer are additional >undesirable effect (Genant et al., Western Journal of Medicine, Aug. >1983; Gambrell et al., Medical Times, Sept. 1989).
The above is pretty silly, in that many of the effects mentioned (water retension, nipple tenderness) are side effects of progesterone as well. Come on, folks– does the premenstrual syndrome occur in the part of cycle when progesterone is low, or the part when it is high? >Progesterone in appropriate doses to balance estrogen effects, >prevents proliferative endometrium from becoming hyperplastic or >developing carcinoma (Padwick et al., New England Journal of Medicine, >1986). Progesterone also acts with estrogen on breast tissue. Breast >cancer may arise if normal or high amounts of estrogen are present >without cyclic progesterone — a situation that occurs with chronic >anovulation in women with regular cycles. It has been suggested that >progesterone treatment can prevent breast malignancy in >estrogen-treated women (Cowan et al., American Journal of Epidemia, >1981; Gambrell et al., Obstetrics and Gynecology, 1983).
It’s been suggested, and is an interesting hypothesis. What direct evidence is there for it? None. >Topical Natural Progesterone >Many undesirable side effects can occur with the use of test tube >designed progestins or progestenogens prescribed by many doctors.
Suggesting that they don’t occur with natural progesterone. Wrong. As a long time prescriber of micronized progesterone capsules, I can tell you that they do. If they don’t with progesterone CREMES, it is only because the DOSE is lower. It has nothing to do with the agent (the fact that it is natural vs artificial). In >addition, they are not as effective as natural progesterone which is >made by the body or made by plants.
Progesterone is never made by plants. This is more bull. More than five thousand plants can >produce progesterone. They are well accepted by the human body.
More bull. Unreferenced bull. >Probably the most workable and effective from the standpoint of >accuracy of dosage, and ease of usage is liquid progesterone derived >from wild yam.
Triple bull. There is no progesterone in wild yam. There is no evidence that the human body can convert the diosgenin in yam to any hormone whatsoever. Period. >E.W. McDonagh obtained his degree from Kansas City College of >Osteopathic Medicine in 1961. He has a family practice incorporating >the treatment of all common afflictions by combining conventional >treatment with preventive modalties using vitamins, trace minerals, >chelation, etc. In 1984 he was named Doctor of the Year by the >Townsend Letter for Doctors.
And with that, you can see why I think what I think of the Townsend Letter for Doctors. Steve Harris, M.D.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I have just been diagonosed as having rather severe osteoporosis. I am 45 >> years old, and am not yet reached menepause. I am looking for >> alternatives to hormone therapy to help replace bone density mass. Has >> anyone heard of Fosamax and how to get it? >> Thanks. >> Holly >you should read a book by alan gaby ‘preventing and reversing >osteoporosis. >richard
Hi Holly Some relevant information to read. Can Topical Progesterone Eliminate Osteoporosis? ** by E.W. McDonagh, D.O. ** Osteoporosis is a progressive loss of mone mass with demineralization and a proclivity of the bones to fracture, The disease accelerates with menopause. Each year it is responsible for more that 1.3 million fractures and 40,000 deaths, usually within six months of their fractures. Fifty percent of all people who experience hip fractures due to osteoporosis never regain the ability to walk independently. ** The patient stereotype familiar to medical students, as well as practicing physicians, is of an elderly frail female with stooped-forward curvature of the upper torso, requiring a cane to walk. The sponge-like structure to the vertebral column bones has become weakened and shortened and the patient may have gradually lost several inches in height over the course of the disease. The patient complains of pain, muscle soreness, stiffness, loss of motion, excess fatigue, depression and fitful sleep. Bones of the vertebral column, especially in the mid and low back, hips, knees and ribs are chronically painful and frequently fracture. ** This is after-the-fact osteoporosis, the after-effect of prolonged progesterone hormone deficiency. Progesterone levels routinely fall several years before menopause. The condition is also propagated by inadequate exercise, multiple vitamin and mineral deficiency (not just calcium), deficiency of Vitamins D and K, excessive dietary protein, alcoholism, cigarette smoking, and environmental pollution. ** eliminated and bones rebuilt without cortisone like drugs or prescription pain medication. Functions is reestablished, muscle pains disappear, joint pain is eliminated and the patient can walk, move and sleep soundly once more. ** Osteoporosis in Young Women ** For the prevention-minded physician this is an exciting area capable of great medical effectiveness. Seemlingly separate and disconnected pelvic pathologies have a common connection to osteoporosis: progesterone deficiency. Recent scientific reports have shown that short luteal phases (time between ovulation and mestruation) and especially lack of ovulation in menstrual cycles of normal length may be potential risk factors for excess bone loss in women (Prior et al., New England Journal of Medicine, Nov. 1990). ** Under these circumstances, progesterone is deficient. It is reasonable, therefore, to believe that osteoporosis can develop in young women with these menstrual disorders, and the diagnosis should not be relegated only to post-menopausal women. ** Progesterone Properties **
Sounds gross, but hey, at this point, I’ll try almost anything that works. Anne AAC/AAF/AFBV62.0844.AZ http://www.tckworld.com/opfoot
You can read all about it on: http://www.cabi-publishing.org/Bookshop/ReadingRoom/0851994237/4237-C… PeterB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Parasite-derived Drug Could Fight Autoimmune Disorders >Betterhumans Staff >[Friday, February 28, 2003] >Getting a parasitic infection is nobody’s >idea of fun, even if it does fight autoimmune disorders. Fortunately, >researchers are working on a drug that mimics the effect of an anti- >inflammatory molecule produced by a common parasite, which could help >relieve such conditions as rheumatoid arthritis. >"This discovery is very exciting and it may help explain an >observation that has puzzled scientists and clinicians for decades: >the reduced incidence of autoimmune disorders in areas of high >nematode worm transmission," says William Harnett of the department >of immunology at the University of Strathclyde, in Glasgow. >"It still seems ironic, however, that a parasitic worm which lives >off humans may also provide a means to relieve suffering for millions >of people," says Harnett. "We hope to produce a derivative of the >worm’s anti-inflammatory molecule and use it as the basis for a drug." >When the immune system goes bad >Autoimmune disorders affect up to 10% of the Western world. They >occur when the immune system attacks the body’s own tissues. >Common autoimmune disorders include rheumatoid arthritis, >inflammatory bowel disease and thyroid disease. >Existing treatments for such conditions are less than ideal, as they >can suppress the body’s immune system and leave people prone to >infection. >"We desperately need new treatments for autoimmune disorders," says >Iain McInnes, professor of experimental medicine at the University of >Glasgow. "Existing treatments, even the newest, most innovative ones, >have limitations. They do not work for everybody and the side effects >can be debilitating in themselves." >Worm secretions >Researchers have found that parasitic worms called filarial nematodes >secrete an anti-inflammatory molecule that causes no obvious side >effects. >The worms infect millions of people in the tropics, where there is a >reduced incidence of autoimmune disorders. >The molecule they secrete, ES-62, allows them to prolong their life >in a host. >Researchers at University of Strathclyde and the University of >Glasgow aim to create a drug that mimics the molecule’s effects and >relieves autoimmune disorders. >They will receive Scottish Enterprise Proof of Concept Fund money to >pursue their work. The fund supports cutting-edge technologies in >Scotland’s academic institutions. >"The prospect of treating painful inflammatory diseases with a drug >that doesn’t completely suppress the patient’s immune system is a >major medical breakthrough," says McInnes.
Parasite-derived Drug Could Fight Autoimmune Disorders Betterhumans Staff [Friday, February 28, 2003] Getting a parasitic infection is nobody’s idea of fun, even if it does fight autoimmune disorders. Fortunately, researchers are working on a drug that mimics the effect of an anti- inflammatory molecule produced by a common parasite, which could help relieve such conditions as rheumatoid arthritis. "This discovery is very exciting and it may help explain an observation that has puzzled scientists and clinicians for decades: the reduced incidence of autoimmune disorders in areas of high nematode worm transmission," says William Harnett of the department of immunology at the University of Strathclyde, in Glasgow. "It still seems ironic, however, that a parasitic worm which lives off humans may also provide a means to relieve suffering for millions of people," says Harnett. "We hope to produce a derivative of the worm’s anti-inflammatory molecule and use it as the basis for a drug." When the immune system goes bad Autoimmune disorders affect up to 10% of the Western world. They occur when the immune system attacks the body’s own tissues. Common autoimmune disorders include rheumatoid arthritis, inflammatory bowel disease and thyroid disease. Existing treatments for such conditions are less than ideal, as they can suppress the body’s immune system and leave people prone to infection. "We desperately need new treatments for autoimmune disorders," says Iain McInnes, professor of experimental medicine at the University of Glasgow. "Existing treatments, even the newest, most innovative ones, have limitations. They do not work for everybody and the side effects can be debilitating in themselves." Worm secretions Researchers have found that parasitic worms called filarial nematodes secrete an anti-inflammatory molecule that causes no obvious side effects. The worms infect millions of people in the tropics, where there is a reduced incidence of autoimmune disorders. The molecule they secrete, ES-62, allows them to prolong their life in a host. Researchers at University of Strathclyde and the University of Glasgow aim to create a drug that mimics the molecule’s effects and relieves autoimmune disorders. They will receive Scottish Enterprise Proof of Concept Fund money to pursue their work. The fund supports cutting-edge technologies in Scotland’s academic institutions. "The prospect of treating painful inflammatory diseases with a drug that doesn’t completely suppress the patient’s immune system is a major medical breakthrough," says McInnes.